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From: "Vladimir D. Seleznev" <vseleznv@altlinux.org>
To: ALT Linux kernel packages development <devel-kernel@lists.altlinux.org>
Subject: Re: [d-kernel] [PATCH] UBUNTU: SAUCE: security, perf: Allow further restriction of perf_event_open
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 15:59:41 +0300
Message-ID: <Yp36PQ19dItoXxDO@portlab> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yp3453iEeYPzZpEM@portlab>

On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 03:54:00PM +0300, Vladimir D. Seleznev wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 01:20:40PM +0400, Alexey Sheplyakov wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2022 at 04:04:56PM +0300, Vladimir D. Seleznev wrote:
> > > > People who actually need security 
> > > > 
> > > > 1) don't use out-of-order CPUs (to avoid Meltdown, Spectre, etc)
> > > > 2) don't use Linux (so the kernel can be actually audited)
> > > > 3) don't exist
> > > 
> > > I don't get the point of these. If we don't need security why should we
> > > bother with user/group processes/filesystems separation and permissions,
> > > chrooting, etc. We have a superuser, lets everything run with it!
> > 
> > 1. In a way we already do (on desktop systems). All applications run with
> >    the same uid and have the same permissions. Nothing prevents firefox
> >    from sending my private GPG key to $BIG_BROTHER, or removing all files
> >    (in $HOME), etc.
> 
> I run firefox instanses and every semi-trusted applications with
> different uids, so none of them can still my GPG or any other secrets or
                                      ^ steal /* fixed */
> corrupt my $HOME (until really bad things happen):

-- 
   WBR,
   Vladimir D. Seleznev


  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-06 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-02  0:31 Vitaly Chikunov
2022-06-02  7:14 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2022-06-02 12:40   ` Vitaly Chikunov
2022-06-02 13:29     ` Vitaly Chikunov
2022-06-02 15:58     ` Andrey Savchenko
2022-06-02 17:06       ` Vitaly Chikunov
2022-06-02 18:26       ` Vladimir D. Seleznev
2022-06-02 18:42         ` Andrey Savchenko
2022-06-02 18:56           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2022-06-03  6:27             ` Andrey Savchenko
2022-06-02 19:08           ` Vladimir D. Seleznev
2022-06-03  6:16             ` Andrey Savchenko
2022-06-03 12:41               ` Vladimir D. Seleznev
2022-06-03 12:54                 ` Andrey Savchenko
2022-06-02 15:15 ` Alexey Sheplyakov
2022-06-02 16:39   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2022-06-03  6:25     ` Andrey Savchenko
2022-06-03 15:07       ` Vitaly Chikunov
2022-06-05  7:48     ` Alexey Sheplyakov
2022-06-05  7:59       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2022-06-06 14:31         ` Alexey Sheplyakov
2022-06-05 13:04       ` Vladimir D. Seleznev
2022-06-06  9:20         ` Alexey Sheplyakov
2022-06-06 10:31           ` Andrey Savchenko
2022-06-06 12:10             ` Alexey Sheplyakov
2022-06-06 12:53           ` Vladimir D. Seleznev
2022-06-06 12:59             ` Vladimir D. Seleznev [this message]
2022-06-08 14:27             ` [d-kernel] right to profile (Re: [PATCH] UBUNTU: SAUCE: security, perf: Allow further restriction of perf_event_open) Alexey Sheplyakov
2022-06-15 11:19               ` [d-kernel] [JT] Re: right to profile Michael Shigorin

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