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* [Comm-en] Alt Jr2.2 dual boot with Mdk9.1
@ 2003-07-10 15:07 Chad
  2003-07-11 14:07 ` Michael Shigorin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Chad @ 2003-07-10 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community-en

I put a post on www.mandrakeusers.org saying what a good distor Alt is. 
The first person who tried to install had the following happen:

"Unhappily, I have to report a bad experience with alt linux. I tried to 
install it my test partition and the install stopped when attempting to 
configure X. The reported error was unable to find XFree rpm. Did the 
md5sums on the isos before burning and they checked out. I have a nvidia 
graphics card which may be the problem. The install refused to go 
forward from this point and aborted by itself.
When I rebooted lilo was screwed up, just got 99s across the screen. 
Tried to restore lilo with the mandrake install cd1 and it refused to do 
so. It kept picking up the kernels in both the alt linux partition and 
the mandrake partition and was totally confused. Apparently the two 
distros are so similar that mandrake rescue can't tell them apart. Wound 
up rebooting with a knoppix cd, commenting out the alt linux partition 
line in mandrake's fstab, deleting the alt linux files and was finally 
able to restore lilo from mandrake install CD1, rescue mode."

I was trying to get a few ppl to try it out and spread the good word. I 
think my plan backfired as the first attempt went so bad.
I enjoy alt. Sound works, palm pilot works, digital camera works 
.....thanks for the help and ideas Alexandre and Michael!!
I have some questions:
1. When is the next release for Alt Jr? I ask because I notice the other 
distros seem to do it quite regular.
2. Are the packages for sisyphus ever added to the Jr2.2 repositories or 
will they only be added to the new version of Alt Jr?

Thanks again
Chad



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* Re: [Comm-en] Alt Jr2.2 dual boot with Mdk9.1
  2003-07-10 15:07 [Comm-en] Alt Jr2.2 dual boot with Mdk9.1 Chad
@ 2003-07-11 14:07 ` Michael Shigorin
  2003-07-13  2:14   ` Chad
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Michael Shigorin @ 2003-07-11 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community-en

On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 09:07:03AM -0600, Chad wrote:

---
> "Unhappily, I have to report a bad experience with alt linux. I tried to 

It happens.

> install it my test partition and the install stopped when
> attempting to configure X. The reported error was unable to
> find XFree rpm.

I remember something along those lines but as search.altlinux.ru
is broken now (busy fixing it) can't do grep http:// :(

> Did the md5sums on the isos before burning and they checked
> out. I have a nvidia graphics card which may be the problem.

Shouldn't be.

> The install refused to go forward from this point and aborted
> by itself.

Very strange, never seen a problem with those.  IIRC this could
happen with the newest 8X cards which weren't supported by older
driver and weren't known to older kudzu/xfdrake.

> When I rebooted lilo was screwed up, just got 99s across the screen. 

Ummm... without details on bootloader it's extremely hard to tell
what happened.

> Wound up rebooting with a knoppix cd, commenting out the alt
> linux partition line in mandrake's fstab, deleting the alt
> linux files and was finally able to restore lilo from mandrake
> install CD1, rescue mode."

Well there's Junior's rescue mode though I doubt it would be much
different =]

---

> I was trying to get a few ppl to try it out and spread the good
> word. I think my plan backfired as the first attempt went so
> bad.

No problem, we should be realistic regarding *bugs* (yes, bugs)
that are apparently there.

Your problems with sound (IIRC) were of the same kind too -- they
simply shouldn't be.

BTW, I'm packaging fresher alsa for Sisyphus and a backport for
updates/2.2 kernel (2.4.20-alt7), so if you're interested you
could give it a try -- 0.9.2 packages are already at
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/kernel/ and alsa/, and
0.9.4 packages are partially there (Sisyphus) with the rest
(backport) loading my AXP1.7+ for the last few hours :-]

> I enjoy alt. Sound works, palm pilot works, digital camera

Well it all should work, and seems that USB hotplug is getting
better yet :-)

> I have some questions: 1. When is the next release for Alt Jr?

Hopefully this summer, "per my feelings". :-)

> I ask because I notice the other distros seem to do it quite
> regular.

Junior usually does in spring/early summer and then autumn/late
summer.

> 2. Are the packages for sisyphus ever added to the Jr2.2
> repositories or will they only be added to the new version of
> Alt Jr?

The latter for the most part; but you can use Master 2.2
packages for the most part.

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
  ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/


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* Re: [Comm-en] Alt Jr2.2 dual boot with Mdk9.1
  2003-07-11 14:07 ` Michael Shigorin
@ 2003-07-13  2:14   ` Chad
  2003-07-14 12:22     ` Michael Shigorin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Chad @ 2003-07-13  2:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community-en

Michael,
Can you give me a rundown on what I need to do to get and install?
I will give the new package a try.

>
>Your problems with sound (IIRC) were of the same kind too -- they
>simply shouldn't be.
>
>BTW, I'm packaging fresher alsa for Sisyphus and a backport for
>updates/2.2 kernel (2.4.20-alt7), so if you're interested you
>could give it a try -- 0.9.2 packages are already at
>ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/kernel/ and alsa/, and
>0.9.4 packages are partially there (Sisyphus) with the rest
>(backport) loading my AXP1.7+ for the last few hours :-]
>
>  
>
>
>  
>




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* Re: [Comm-en] Alt Jr2.2 dual boot with Mdk9.1
  2003-07-13  2:14   ` Chad
@ 2003-07-14 12:22     ` Michael Shigorin
    2003-07-17 17:59       ` Chad
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Michael Shigorin @ 2003-07-14 12:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community-en; +Cc: community

On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 08:14:54PM -0600, Chad wrote:
> Can you give me a rundown on what I need to do to get and
> install?  I will give the new package a try.

OK, so you've asked :-)

Then you have either 2.4.21-altX with binary bootloader-utils and
mkinitrd from Sisyphus (they're binary compatible with ALM2.2,
should work on J2.2 too), or 2.4.20-alt7 -- but then later since
I've somehow failed to rebuild the package, now taking a second
look.

...ah, done.

So.

_Unofficial_ build of fresh NVIDIA driver set and ALSA tools
(should be mostly compatible with an existing 2.2+updates setup
-- by "updates" I mean kernel24 security update, too -- see below):

* NVIDIA 1.0-4363; should enable FX cards and such
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/kernel/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0.4363-alt1.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/kernel/NVIDIA_kernel-up-2.4.20_1.0.4363-alt7.i586.rpm

* ALSA 0.9.4; reportedly behaves better with some hardware, esp.
*  software codecs like via/intel onboard ac97 sound
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/kernel/alsa24-up-2.4.20_0.9.4-alt7.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/alsa/alsa-tools-0.9.4-alt1.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/alsa/alsa-utils-0.9.4-alt1.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/alsa/aserver-0.9.4-alt2.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/alsa/libalsa-0.9.4-alt2.i586.rpm

This should go with minimal hassle, but "old" alsa2-*, libalsa2-*
may need to be removed with rpm -e --nodeps (since newer packages
supercede them but rpm is too low-level to "understand" it).

Also see the note below regarding NVIDIA_GLX.

For _testing_ 2.4.21 (Sisyphus URLs; should work with
Master/Junior 2.2 as of this writing; much more challenging):

* kernel itself and supplementary packages:
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/kernel-image-std-up-2.4.21rel-alt3.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/bootloader-utils-0.1-alt7.noarch.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/mkinitrd-2.8.7-alt2.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/modutils-2.4.25-alt1.i586.rpm

* NVIDIA:
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0.4363-alt1.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/kernel-modules-nvidia-std-up-1.0.4363-alt3.i586.rpm

* ALSA:
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/kernel-modules-alsa-std-up-0.9.4-alt4.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/libalsa-0.9.4-alt1.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/alsa-tools-0.9.4-alt1.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/alsa-utils-0.9.4-alt1.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/aserver-0.9.4-alt1.i586.rpm

* additional packages likely to be in need:
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/kernel-modules-i2c-std-up-2.7.0-alt4.i586.rpm
ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Sisyphus/files/i586/RPMS/kernel-modules-sensors-std-up-2.7.0-alt3.i586.rpm

Also this checklist (command are to be executed by root):

* if you feel like OK and don't need/really want to mess with
  kernels, DON'T -- screwing the system up is surprisingly easy
  this way;
  
* if in slightest doubt -- use the kernel from updates which
  doesn't get installed by "apt-get upgrade" automatically for
  obvious reasons, and thus should be installed like this:

  apt-get install kernel24-up#2.4.20-alt7

  if feeling brave and going bloody edge -- then Sisyphus
  may be for you;

* run this script as root (taken from alsa-driver tarball):
  ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/mike/alsa/testing/snddevices
  -- it will recreate /dev/snd as permanent directory and not a
  symlink to deprecated /proc entry (changed in alsa-0.9.2).

* newer NVIDIA kernel module requires newer GLX package which
  won't work with older kernel module AFAIR.  So if you need to
  rollback, have the CD at hand to be able to boot into console
  mode (passing additiona parameter "3" to the kernel) and:
  
  mount /dev/cdrom
  rpm -Uvh --oldpackage /mnt/cdrom/ALTLinux/RPMS/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0.4191-alt2.i586.rpm
  eject

* 2.4.21rel-alt3 specific issues:

  * kernel package apparently has a gotcha regarding bootloader
    setup update; could be fixed with 
  
    cd /boot
    ln -sf vmlinuz-2.4.21rel-std-up-alt3 vmlinuz-up
    ln -sf initrd-2.4.21rel-std-up-alt3.img initrd-up.img
    lilo	# only if using LILO!
    
    or checking the bootloader configuration to contain a proper
    pair of kernel and initial ramdrive images;
    
  * 2.4.21rel-alt3 has OpenWall patch applied which disables
    wine/winex (and seemingly win4lin) -- fixed with chstk:
  
    chstk -e /usr/bin/wine
    chstk -e /usr/bin/winex
  
  * 2.4.21 kernel and kernel module packages should be
    *installed* (rpm -ivh) not to remove existing kernel; alsa
    userspace packages don't allow for duplication though and
    should be upgraded (rpm -Uvh);
  
  * software modem and ATI drivers as kernel-modules-*.rpm are
    there, too, but I've no experience with them -- you may have
    to get a few more packages if going 2.4.21;

All packages should be signed, you can do "rpm --checksig" on
them.

Problems and misunderstanding are better reported here *before*
you tell it blow up everything so we can try to sort it out
together ;-)

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
  ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/


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* Re: [Comm-en] Alt Jr2.2 dual boot with Mdk9.1
  @ 2003-07-14 17:26         ` Michael Shigorin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Michael Shigorin @ 2003-07-14 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community-en

On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 11:01:16AM -0600, Chad wrote:
> ummmmmm.....????? Thanks? I guess I did not know what I was asking for! 

:-)

> I will do a second install and see what happens with the
> information you provided.

Well you're welcome :)

> I am quite new at this but willing/trying to learn more. I did
> not realize I had asked such a BIG question!

Heh.  Writing the answer was some 1/4 of the time, but building
that backport was "in the due course" as per my plan of taking
alsa maintainership. :-)

So while it does work on any hardware I have at hand to throw at
it (via/intel ac97 as being the most problematic with alsa2,
cmi8738, ali5451, and people reported better sound with eg.
sblive since 0.9.2), I'd definitely like to have a chance of
running another round of testing and hopefully resolve some of
the troubles people could experience.

Roughly the same goes for nvidia, though I don't maintain that.

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
  ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/


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* Re: [Comm-en] Alt Jr2.2 dual boot with Mdk9.1
  2003-07-14 12:22     ` Michael Shigorin
  @ 2003-07-17 17:59       ` Chad
  2003-07-18 13:44         ` Michael Shigorin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Chad @ 2003-07-17 17:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community-en

Michael Shigorin wrote:

>Then you have either 2.4.21-altX with binary bootloader-utils and
>mkinitrd from Sisyphus (they're binary compatible with ALM2.2,
>should work on J2.2 too), or 2.4.20-alt7 -- but then later since
>I've somehow failed to rebuild the package, now taking a second
>look.
>  
>
Ok. Decided to do "baby steps" so I do not mess up too much to quick.
I did the 2.4.20-alt7 kernel install.
Next, I need to get the Nvidia working again. I have GForce4. So, is it 
best to reinstall
the old drivers or get the new ones on your list?
chad




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* Re: [Comm-en] Alt Jr2.2 dual boot with Mdk9.1
  2003-07-17 17:59       ` Chad
@ 2003-07-18 13:44         ` Michael Shigorin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Michael Shigorin @ 2003-07-18 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community-en

On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 11:59:26AM -0600, Chad wrote:
> I did the 2.4.20-alt7 kernel install.

OK.

> Next, I need to get the Nvidia working again. I have GForce4.
> So, is it best to reinstall the old drivers or get the new ones

No matter support-wise, GF4 worked with 2xxx series.
So choose what's more convenient.

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
  ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/


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