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* [devel] Fwd: Re: "ask Mako": doing just that
@ 2005-10-04 15:12 Michael Shigorin
  2005-10-04 21:10 ` [devel] " Alexey Tourbin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Michael Shigorin @ 2005-10-04 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: devel; +Cc: smoke-room

	Здравствуйте.
"However, neither licensing nor the availability of source code
gives free software its competitive edge. Licensing and source
are merely means toward an end: the participation of many
individuals and groups in the development, testing, quality
assurance and advocacy of software."

Интересная статья.

----- Forwarded message from "Benj. Mako Hill" <mako/ubuntu.com> -----

Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:46:44 -0400
From: "Benj. Mako Hill" <mako/ubuntu.com>
To: sounder/lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: "ask Mako": doing just that

<quote who="Michael Shigorin" date="Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 06:48:26PM +0300">
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 04:33:24PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> > Mixing  funding  with  volunteer  work raises all sorts of
> > issues. Ask Mako to tell you about the experiment that showed
> > that this difficulty might   be   hard-wired  into  our  genes
> > -  there  are  deep  social difficulties  with  projects  that
> > blend  full  time  paid  work with volunteer efforts.
> 
> I'd like to accept this proposal and ask Benjamin -- what it was?
> (if the answer's better personal, so be it; although I doubt that)

About six months ago, I wrote up a piece on funding volunteer free
software projects that is being alluded to here:

  http://mako.cc/writing/funding_volunteers/funding_volunteers.html

In particular, there was some academic work on mixing volunteerism and
commercial work that I cited in that paper. If you can't get access to
the documents or journal articles I cited off list and you really want
to read them, please contact me offlist and I can try to get you
copies.

Regards,
Mako

-- 
Benjamin Mako Hill
mako/ubuntu.com | mako/canonical.com

----- End forwarded message -----

PS: просьба отвечать в один список рассылки.

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
  ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/


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* [devel] Re: Fwd: Re: "ask Mako": doing just that
  2005-10-04 15:12 [devel] Fwd: Re: "ask Mako": doing just that Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-10-04 21:10 ` Alexey Tourbin
  2005-10-05  6:52   ` Alexey Rusakov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Tourbin @ 2005-10-04 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: devel

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On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 06:12:27PM +0300, Michael Shigorin wrote:
> 	Здравствуйте.
> "However, neither licensing nor the availability of source code
> gives free software its competitive edge. Licensing and source
> are merely means toward an end: the participation of many
> individuals and groups in the development, testing, quality
> assurance and advocacy of software."
> 
> Интересная статья.

Да.  Мне другое понравилось:

It's also important to ensure that the public forums are used by the
"internal" developers.  Even if developers or programmers work in the
same building or in cubicles next to each other, they should resist the
temptation of having conversations in person because the information
from these conversations will never reach the volunteer community.
Intentionally organizing a distributed company is one way that this can
be approached by companies working on projects with volunteers.
Implementing such a structure was an intentional decision made by
Canonical Ltd. in hiring developers and structuring development. Ubuntu
maintains no closed lists and makes all development, design, and
government decisions in open forums and, due to is distributed nature,
is exceptionally transparent for a project incorporating a large body of
paid labor from a single company.

Долой фирмы!

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* Re: [devel] Re: Fwd: Re: "ask Mako": doing just that
  2005-10-04 21:10 ` [devel] " Alexey Tourbin
@ 2005-10-05  6:52   ` Alexey Rusakov
  2005-10-05  7:10     ` [devel][JT] " Alex V. Myltsev
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Rusakov @ 2005-10-05  6:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ALT Devel discussion list

Alexey Tourbin wrote:

>Even if developers or programmers work in the
>same building or in cubicles next to each other, they should resist the
>temptation of having conversations in person
>
Бр-р... Сидеть, уткнувшись в компьютер и общаться с соседом лишь через 
электронные средства связи - непсихологично. Так и к аутизму прийти можно.

-- 
  Alexey "Ktirf" Rusakov


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* Re: [devel][JT] "ask Mako": doing just that
  2005-10-05  6:52   ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-10-05  7:10     ` Alex V. Myltsev
  2005-10-05  7:33       ` Alexey Rusakov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Alex V. Myltsev @ 2005-10-05  7:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ALT Devel discussion list

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Alexey Rusakov wrote:
>> they should resist the temptation of having conversations in person
> Бр-р... Сидеть, уткнувшись в компьютер и общаться с соседом лишь через
> электронные средства связи - непсихологично. Так и к аутизму прийти можно.
1) Зато всё записано. Другие могут прочитать лог позже, когда
понадобится, или сразу подключиться к разговору.
2) Зато никому не прервёшь ход мысли. Отрывать от дела задумавшегося
человека -- вот уж что непсихологично.
3) Зато появляется полезная асинхронность; можно подумать над
написанным, а потом хорошо сформулировать ответ.

Регулярно общаюсь с соседом через комментарии в Wiki. Очень удобно.
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* Re: [devel][JT] "ask Mako": doing just that
  2005-10-05  7:10     ` [devel][JT] " Alex V. Myltsev
@ 2005-10-05  7:33       ` Alexey Rusakov
  2005-10-05 13:46         ` Денис Смирнов
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Rusakov @ 2005-10-05  7:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ALT Devel discussion list

Alex V. Myltsev wrote:

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>Alexey Rusakov wrote:
>  
>
>>Бр-р... Сидеть, уткнувшись в компьютер и общаться с соседом лишь через
>>электронные средства связи - непсихологично. Так и к аутизму прийти можно.
>>    
>>
>1) Зато всё записано. Другие могут прочитать лог позже, когда
>понадобится, или сразу подключиться к разговору.
>2) Зато никому не прервёшь ход мысли. Отрывать от дела задумавшегося
>человека -- вот уж что непсихологично.
>3) Зато появляется полезная асинхронность; можно подумать над
>написанным, а потом хорошо сформулировать ответ.
>  
>
Это всё понятно. но:

>Регулярно общаюсь с соседом через комментарии в Wiki. Очень удобно.
>
Постоянно общаться исключительно в таком режиме - имхо, перебор.

-- 
  Alexey "Ktirf" Rusakov


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* Re: [devel][JT] "ask Mako": doing just that
  2005-10-05  7:33       ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-10-05 13:46         ` Денис Смирнов
  2005-10-05 18:15           ` Alexey Rusakov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Денис Смирнов @ 2005-10-05 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: devel

On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 11:33:38AM +0400, Alexey Rusakov wrote:

AR> Постоянно общаться исключительно в таком режиме - имхо, перебор.

Не надо путать рабочее общение, и решение некоторых критических вопросов
(что иногда удобнее делать лично), а также человеческое общение.

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* Re: [devel][JT] "ask Mako": doing just that
  2005-10-05 13:46         ` Денис Смирнов
@ 2005-10-05 18:15           ` Alexey Rusakov
  2005-10-05 19:40             ` Денис Смирнов
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Rusakov @ 2005-10-05 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ALT Devel discussion list

On 05.10.2005 17:46, Денис Смирнов wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 11:33:38AM +0400, Alexey Rusakov wrote:
>
> AR> Постоянно общаться исключительно в таком режиме - имхо, перебор.
>
> Не надо путать рабочее общение, и решение некоторых критических вопросов
> (что иногда удобнее делать лично), а также человеческое общение.
>   
Я не путаю. Но по-моему, довольно глупо в середине разговора за жисть 
останавливаться и говорить: "ну ладно, об этом на вики поговорим" только 
потому, что разговор выехал на рабочие темы.

-- 
  Alexey "Ktirf" Rusakov



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* Re: [devel][JT] "ask Mako": doing just that
  2005-10-05 18:15           ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-10-05 19:40             ` Денис Смирнов
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Денис Смирнов @ 2005-10-05 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: devel

On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 10:15:46PM +0400, Alexey Rusakov wrote:

AR> Я не путаю. Но по-моему, довольно глупо в середине разговора за жисть 
AR> останавливаться и говорить: "ну ладно, об этом на вики поговорим" только 
AR> потому, что разговор выехал на рабочие темы.

Безусловно. Но таки в офисе 80% времени это всё-таки рабочие разговоры.

-- 
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