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* [Comm] Radeon 9600
@ 2004-07-04  6:07 Дворников Михаил
  2004-07-04  7:41 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
  2004-07-04 12:56 ` Sergey Vlasov
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Дворников Михаил @ 2004-07-04  6:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community

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Здравствуйте!
Дистрибутив - Compact 2.3, мать - Epox (nForce2),видео - Radeon 9600.
Возникли две проблемы:
1) 3D:
игры запускаются (GL-117, billard).
Завершаю сеанс пользователя, загружаюсь даже тем же пользователем
и 3D перестает работать. Лог прилагается.
2) TVout:
При загрузке на мониторе выставляется разрешение, как у телевизора.
На Win и Lin поведение одинаково. Монитор LCD не может держать такое
разрешение и отключается до появления меню входа пользователя.
Xine и MPlayer на монитор выводят изображение, на TV нет.
Игры и все остальное есть на мониторе и TV.

-- 
С уважением, Дворников Михаил.



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(II) fglrx(0): [drm] created "fglrx" driver at busid "PCI:2:0:0"
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] added 8192 byte SAREA at 0xe0bd0000
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] mapped SAREA 0xe0bd0000 to 0x122000
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] framebuffer handle = 0xc0000000
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] added 1 reserved context for kernel
(II) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit done
(II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Version Information:
(II) fglrx(0):     Name: fglrx
(II) fglrx(0):     Version: 3.7.0
(II) fglrx(0):     Date: Dec 18 2003
(II) fglrx(0):     Desc: ATI Fire GL DRM kernel module
(II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version matches driver.
(II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Build Time Information:
(II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel UTS_RELEASE:        2.4.22-std-up-alt24
(II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel MODVERSIONS:        yes
(II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel __SMP__:            no
(II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel PAGE_SIZE:          0x1000
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] register handle = 0xe8020000
(II) fglrx(0): [agp] Mode=0x1f00421b bridge: 0x10de/0x01e0
(II) fglrx(0): [agp] AGP v1/2 disable mask 0x00000000
(II) fglrx(0): [agp] AGP v3 disable mask   0x00000000
(II) fglrx(0): [agp] enabling AGP with mode=0x1f00431a
(II) fglrx(0): [agp] AGP protocoll is enabled for grafics board. (cmd=0x1f004312)
(II) fglrx(0): [agp] grafics chipset has AGP v3.0 (native mode)
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] ringbuffer size = 0x00100000 bytes
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] DRM buffer queue setup: nbufs = 100 bufsize = 28672
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] texture shared area handle = 0xe93f9000
(EE) fglrx(0): Failed to initialize UMM driver.
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xe0bd0000 at 0x122000
(WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************
(WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
(WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
(WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
(WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *
(WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* *
(II) fglrx(0): FBADPhys: 0xc0000000 FBMappedSize: 0x08000000
(II) fglrx(0): FBMM initialized for area (0,0)-(1024,8191)
(II) fglrx(0): FBMM auto alloc for area (0,0)-(1024,768) (front color buffer - assumption)
(II) fglrx(0): Using hardware cursor (scanline 768)
(II) fglrx(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1024 x 7419
(II) fglrx(0): Acceleration enabled
(II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering disabled
(==) RandR enabled

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* Re: [Comm] Radeon 9600
  2004-07-04  6:07 [Comm] Radeon 9600 Дворников Михаил
@ 2004-07-04  7:41 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
  2004-07-04  9:15   ` Дворников Михаил
  2004-07-04 12:56 ` Sergey Vlasov
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Andrey Rahmatullin @ 2004-07-04  7:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community

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On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 10:07:03AM +0400, Дворников Михаил wrote:

>(WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
>(WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *

А модуль fglrx таки загружен?

-- 
WBR, wRAR (ALT Linux Team)

Кстати, у меня есть основания полагать, что rsh-клиент может быть уязвимым
к атакам со стороны rsh-сервера.
		-- ldv in devel@

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* Re: [Comm] Radeon 9600
  2004-07-04  7:41 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
@ 2004-07-04  9:15   ` Дворников Михаил
  2004-07-04  9:42     ` Andrey Rahmatullin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Дворников Михаил @ 2004-07-04  9:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community

Andrey Rahmatullin пишет:

> On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 10:07:03AM +0400, Дворников Михаил wrote:
>
>> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
>> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
>
>
> А модуль fglrx таки загружен?

# lsmod 
// Первый раз загрузил
Module                  Size  Used by    Tainted: P
fglrx                 171112 126
agpgart                43332  16

// Завершил сессию и вошел этим же пользователем
Module                  Size  Used by    Tainted: P
fglrx                 171112   0
agpgart                43332   2

В /etc/X11/XF86Config-4:
Load "dbe"
Load "v4l"
Load "drm"
Load "glx"
Load "dri"

Установлены:
kernel-modules-nvidia-force-std-up  (нужен ???),
kernel-modules-fglrx-std-up,
fglrx-glx,
XFree86-ati-gatos (нужен ???).
На видеокарте есть только TVout, чипсет nForce2, нужны такие пакеты?

-- 
С уважением, Дворников Михаил.



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* Re: [Comm] Radeon 9600
  2004-07-04  9:15   ` Дворников Михаил
@ 2004-07-04  9:42     ` Andrey Rahmatullin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Andrey Rahmatullin @ 2004-07-04  9:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community

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On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 01:15:49PM +0400, Дворников Михаил wrote:
>kernel-modules-nvidia-force-std-up  (нужен ???),
Вроде нужен для матерей на nForce.
>XFree86-ati-gatos (нужен ???).
Нет. Он используетcя _вместо_ fglrx.

-- 
WBR, wRAR (ALT Linux Team)

Какая гадость эти бинарные модули :(
		-- vsu in devel-kernel@

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* Re: [Comm] Radeon 9600
  2004-07-04  6:07 [Comm] Radeon 9600 Дворников Михаил
  2004-07-04  7:41 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
@ 2004-07-04 12:56 ` Sergey Vlasov
  2004-07-04 14:39   ` Дворников Михаил
  2004-07-04 14:46   ` Дворников Михаил
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Sergey Vlasov @ 2004-07-04 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community

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On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 10:07:03AM +0400, Дворников Михаил wrote:
> Здравствуйте!
> Дистрибутив - Compact 2.3, мать - Epox (nForce2),видео - Radeon 9600.
> Возникли две проблемы:
> 1) 3D:
> игры запускаются (GL-117, billard).
> Завершаю сеанс пользователя, загружаюсь даже тем же пользователем
> и 3D перестает работать. Лог прилагается.

Ещё покажите вывод dmesg после второго входа (когда 3D не работает).

Можно попробовать вписать в /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 в секцию "Device"
для fglrx параметр

    Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"

При этом fglrx будет использовать системный agpgart, а не свою
встроенную реализацию; иногда они работают по-разному.  Если же
использовать встренную поддержку AGP, загрузку модуля agpgart лучше
отключить (убрать его упоминание из /etc/modules; если всё равно
загружается - дописать alias agpgart off в /etc/modules.conf).

> 2) TVout:
> При загрузке на мониторе выставляется разрешение, как у телевизора.
> На Win и Lin поведение одинаково. Монитор LCD не может держать такое
> разрешение и отключается до появления меню входа пользователя.
> Xine и MPlayer на монитор выводят изображение, на TV нет.
> Игры и все остальное есть на мониторе и TV.

Покажите, что записано в /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 в секции "Device" для
fglrx.

Можно попробовать настроить параметры драйвера через родную утилиту
fglrxconfig; эта программа лежит в пакете fglrx-tools, который не
попал на диск Compact 2.3, но его можно взять отсюда:

ftp://ftp.altlinux.com/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Compact/2.3/ALTLinux/RPMS.contrib/fglrx-tools-3.7.0-alt1.i586.rpm

Пользоваться flgrxconfig надо осторожно - при запуске от root эта
программа по умолчанию переписывает /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 полностью,
при этом портятся настройки клавиатуры и т.п.  Поэтому перед запуском
следует обязательно сохранить этот файл, а после завершения
fglrxconfig вручную перенести получившуюся секцию "Device" из
записанной им конфигурации.

Не забудьте включить Video Overlay, чтобы нормально работало
расширение Xv.

Кстати, в mplayer можно попробовать использовать -vo gl2.

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* Re: [Comm] Radeon 9600
  2004-07-04 12:56 ` Sergey Vlasov
@ 2004-07-04 14:39   ` Дворников Михаил
  2004-07-04 14:46   ` Дворников Михаил
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Дворников Михаил @ 2004-07-04 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community

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Sergey Vlasov пишет:

>Ещё покажите вывод dmesg после второго входа (когда 3D не работает).
>  
>
Подозрительное сообщение dmesg:
[fglrx:firegl_umm_init] *ERROR* UMM area already initialized!
[fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process 1518 using kernel context 0
ps ax выводит:
1518 ?        S      0:34 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -nolisten tcp -auth
/var/run/xauth/A:0-bkfWEb

>    Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
>  
>
имеется.

>Покажите, что записано в /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 в секции "Device" для
>fglrx.
>
>  
>
Показываю :)

>ftp://ftp.altlinux.com/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Compact/2.3/ALTLinux/RPMS.contrib/fglrx-tools-3.7.0-alt1.i586.rpm
>  
>
Запускал.
Спасибо за ответы.
-- 

С уважением, Дворников Михаил.



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Section "Monitor"
    Identifier "monitor0"
    VendorName "LG"
    ModelName  "L1515S"


    HorizSync  30-63
    VertRefresh 56-75

# 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 48.4 kHz hsync
    Modeline	"1024x768"	65    1024 1032 1176 1344   768  771  777  806 -hsync -vsync

EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Graphics device section
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of graphics device sections may be present

# Standard VGA Device:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "Standard VGA"
    VendorName  "Unknown"
    BoardName   "Unknown"
    Driver      "vga"
EndSection

# === ATI device section ===

Section "Device"
    Identifier                          "ATI Graphics Adapter"
    Driver                              "fglrx"
# ### generic DRI settings ###
# === disable PnP Monitor  ===
    #Option                              "NoDDC"
# === disable/enable XAA/DRI ===
    Option "no_accel"                   "no"
    Option "no_dri"                     "no"
# === misc DRI settings ===
    Option "mtrr"                       "off" # disable DRI mtrr mapper, driver has its own code for mtrr
# ### FireGL DDX driver module specific settings ###
# === Screen Management ===
    Option "DesktopSetup"               "0x00000100" 
    Option "MonitorLayout"              "AUTO, AUTO"
    Option "IgnoreEDID"                 "off"
    Option "HSync2"                     "31.5 - 48.4" 
    Option "VRefresh2"                  "60 - 75" 
    Option "ScreenOverlap"              "0" 
# === TV-out Management ===
    Option "NoTV"                       "no"     
    Option "TVStandard"                 "PAL-B"     
    Option "TVHSizeAdj"                 "0"     
    Option "TVVSizeAdj"                 "0"     
    Option "TVHPosAdj"                  "0"     
    Option "TVVPosAdj"                  "0"     
    Option "TVHStartAdj"                "0"     
    Option "TVColorAdj"                 "0"     
    Option "GammaCorrectionI"           "0x00000000"
    Option "GammaCorrectionII"          "0x00000000"
# === OpenGL specific profiles/settings ===
    Option "Capabilities"               "0x00000000"
# === Video Overlay for the Xv extension ===
    Option "VideoOverlay"               "on"
# === OpenGL Overlay ===
# Note: When OpenGL Overlay is enabled, Video Overlay
#       will be disabled automatically
    Option "OpenGLOverlay"              "off"
# === Center Mode (Laptops only) ===
    Option "CenterMode"                 "off"
# === Pseudo Color Visuals (8-bit visuals) ===
    Option "PseudoColorVisuals"         "off"
# === QBS Management ===
    Option "Stereo"                     "off"
    Option "StereoSyncEnable"           "1"
# === FSAA Management ===
    Option "FSAAEnable"                 "yes"
    Option "FSAAScale"                  "6"
    Option "FSAADisableGamma"           "no"
    Option "FSAACustomizeMSPos"         "no"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX0"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY0"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX1"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY1"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX2"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY2"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX3"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY3"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX4"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY4"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX5"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY5"                "0.000000"
# === Misc Options ===
    Option "UseFastTLS"                 "0"
    Option "BlockSignalsOnLock"         "on"
    Option "UseInternalAGPGART"         "no"
    Option "ForceGenericCPU"            "no"
    BusID "PCI:2:0:0"    # vendor=1002, device=4150
    Screen 0
EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Screen sections
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of screen sections may be present.  Each describes
# the configuration of a single screen.  A single specific screen section
# may be specified from the X server command line with the "-screen"
# option.
Section "Screen"
    Identifier  "Screen0"
    Device      "ATI Graphics Adapter"
    Monitor     "Monitor0"
    DefaultDepth 24
    #Option "backingstore"

    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes       "1024x768"
        ViewPort    0 0  # initial origin if mode is smaller than desktop
#        Virtual     1280 1024
    EndSubsection
EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# ServerLayout sections.
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of ServerLayout sections may be present.  Each describes
# the way multiple screens are organised.  A specific ServerLayout
# section may be specified from the X server command line with the
# "-layout" option.  In the absence of this, the first section is used.
# When now ServerLayout section is present, the first Screen section
# is used alone.

Section "ServerLayout"

# The Identifier line must be present
    Identifier  "Server Layout"

# Each Screen line specifies a Screen section name, and optionally
# the relative position of other screens.  The four names after
# primary screen name are the screens to the top, bottom, left and right
# of the primary screen.

    Screen "Screen0"

# Each InputDevice line specifies an InputDevice section name and
# optionally some options to specify the way the device is to be
# used.  Those options include "CorePointer", "CoreKeyboard" and
# "SendCoreEvents".

    InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
    InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"

EndSection


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* Re: [Comm] Radeon 9600
  2004-07-04 12:56 ` Sergey Vlasov
  2004-07-04 14:39   ` Дворников Михаил
@ 2004-07-04 14:46   ` Дворников Михаил
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Дворников Михаил @ 2004-07-04 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: community

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Sergey Vlasov пишет:

>Ещё покажите вывод dmesg после второго входа (когда 3D не работает).
>  
>
Подозрительное сообщение dmesg:
[fglrx:firegl_umm_init] *ERROR* UMM area already initialized!
[fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process 1518 using kernel context 0
ps ax выводит:
1518 ?        S      0:34 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -nolisten tcp -auth
/var/run/xauth/A:0-bkfWEb

>    Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
>  
>
имеется.

>Покажите, что записано в /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 в секции "Device" для
>fglrx.
>
>  
>
Показываю :)

>ftp://ftp.altlinux.com/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/Compact/2.3/ALTLinux/RPMS.contrib/fglrx-tools-3.7.0-alt1.i586.rpm
>  
>
Запускал.
Спасибо за ответы.
-- 

С уважением, Дворников Михаил.



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Section "Monitor"
    Identifier "monitor0"
    VendorName "LG"
    ModelName  "L1515S"


    HorizSync  30-63
    VertRefresh 56-75

# 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 48.4 kHz hsync
    Modeline	"1024x768"	65    1024 1032 1176 1344   768  771  777  806 -hsync -vsync

EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Graphics device section
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of graphics device sections may be present

# Standard VGA Device:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "Standard VGA"
    VendorName  "Unknown"
    BoardName   "Unknown"
    Driver      "vga"
EndSection

# === ATI device section ===

Section "Device"
    Identifier                          "ATI Graphics Adapter"
    Driver                              "fglrx"
# ### generic DRI settings ###
# === disable PnP Monitor  ===
    #Option                              "NoDDC"
# === disable/enable XAA/DRI ===
    Option "no_accel"                   "no"
    Option "no_dri"                     "no"
# === misc DRI settings ===
    Option "mtrr"                       "off" # disable DRI mtrr mapper, driver has its own code for mtrr
# ### FireGL DDX driver module specific settings ###
# === Screen Management ===
    Option "DesktopSetup"               "0x00000100" 
    Option "MonitorLayout"              "AUTO, AUTO"
    Option "IgnoreEDID"                 "off"
    Option "HSync2"                     "31.5 - 48.4" 
    Option "VRefresh2"                  "60 - 75" 
    Option "ScreenOverlap"              "0" 
# === TV-out Management ===
    Option "NoTV"                       "no"     
    Option "TVStandard"                 "PAL-B"     
    Option "TVHSizeAdj"                 "0"     
    Option "TVVSizeAdj"                 "0"     
    Option "TVHPosAdj"                  "0"     
    Option "TVVPosAdj"                  "0"     
    Option "TVHStartAdj"                "0"     
    Option "TVColorAdj"                 "0"     
    Option "GammaCorrectionI"           "0x00000000"
    Option "GammaCorrectionII"          "0x00000000"
# === OpenGL specific profiles/settings ===
    Option "Capabilities"               "0x00000000"
# === Video Overlay for the Xv extension ===
    Option "VideoOverlay"               "on"
# === OpenGL Overlay ===
# Note: When OpenGL Overlay is enabled, Video Overlay
#       will be disabled automatically
    Option "OpenGLOverlay"              "off"
# === Center Mode (Laptops only) ===
    Option "CenterMode"                 "off"
# === Pseudo Color Visuals (8-bit visuals) ===
    Option "PseudoColorVisuals"         "off"
# === QBS Management ===
    Option "Stereo"                     "off"
    Option "StereoSyncEnable"           "1"
# === FSAA Management ===
    Option "FSAAEnable"                 "yes"
    Option "FSAAScale"                  "6"
    Option "FSAADisableGamma"           "no"
    Option "FSAACustomizeMSPos"         "no"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX0"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY0"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX1"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY1"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX2"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY2"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX3"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY3"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX4"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY4"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosX5"                "0.000000"
    Option "FSAAMSPosY5"                "0.000000"
# === Misc Options ===
    Option "UseFastTLS"                 "0"
    Option "BlockSignalsOnLock"         "on"
    Option "UseInternalAGPGART"         "no"
    Option "ForceGenericCPU"            "no"
    BusID "PCI:2:0:0"    # vendor=1002, device=4150
    Screen 0
EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Screen sections
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of screen sections may be present.  Each describes
# the configuration of a single screen.  A single specific screen section
# may be specified from the X server command line with the "-screen"
# option.
Section "Screen"
    Identifier  "Screen0"
    Device      "ATI Graphics Adapter"
    Monitor     "Monitor0"
    DefaultDepth 24
    #Option "backingstore"

    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes       "1024x768"
        ViewPort    0 0  # initial origin if mode is smaller than desktop
#        Virtual     1280 1024
    EndSubsection
EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# ServerLayout sections.
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of ServerLayout sections may be present.  Each describes
# the way multiple screens are organised.  A specific ServerLayout
# section may be specified from the X server command line with the
# "-layout" option.  In the absence of this, the first section is used.
# When now ServerLayout section is present, the first Screen section
# is used alone.

Section "ServerLayout"

# The Identifier line must be present
    Identifier  "Server Layout"

# Each Screen line specifies a Screen section name, and optionally
# the relative position of other screens.  The four names after
# primary screen name are the screens to the top, bottom, left and right
# of the primary screen.

    Screen "Screen0"

# Each InputDevice line specifies an InputDevice section name and
# optionally some options to specify the way the device is to be
# used.  Those options include "CorePointer", "CoreKeyboard" and
# "SendCoreEvents".

    InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
    InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"

EndSection


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