From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:13:30 +0300 From: Michael Shigorin To: sysadmins@lists.altlinux.org Message-ID: <20060405181330.GK7197@osdn.org.ua> Mail-Followup-To: sysadmins@lists.altlinux.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: [Sysadmins] Fwd: [school-discuss] Nicholas Negroponte challenges: Give us lightweight Linux X-BeenThere: sysadmins@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list Reply-To: shigorin@gmail.com, ALT Linux sysadmin discuss List-Id: ALT Linux sysadmin discuss List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:13:51 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: Здравствуйте. Во, туда же. ----- Forwarded message from Knut Yrvin ----- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:12:56 +0200 From: Knut Yrvin To: schoolforge-discuss/schoolforge.net, ELEARN-OPENSOURCE/lst.iiep-unesco.org Subject: [school-discuss] Nicholas Negroponte challenges: Give us lightweight Linux * Project proposal (by Knut Yrvin April 5th 2006) Linux has bloated is the message from Nicholas Negroponte, the MIT professor who launched the "One Laptop Per Child" solution (OLPC). We need a fully functional version on a laptop with 500MHz AMD processor, 128 MB RAM, and 512 MB flash memory "harddrive". We need Linux to be more lightweight he says at Linux World. This Norwegian articles reports from Negropontes speech at Linux World April 4th 2006: http://www.digi.no/php/art.php?id=298814 We have experienced the same thing in the Skolelinux/DebianEdu-project. Some software programs uses a lot of memory in runtime, and also when it's installed. The OpenOffice.org office suite and FireFox demands a lot of memory in runtime. Windows environment is also "bloated" (GNOME, KDE). When running a lot of thin clients i a LTSP-nettwork this programs demands more server memory. My impression is that the amount of RAM is increased from 2 GB to 4 GB when using OpenOffice.org, FireFox and the most common Windows managers on 50 thin clients. Because of memory usages and speed issues some municipalities runs ICEwm as Windows manager on all their thin clients (500-600 clients in 9 schools). In my view solutions that Damn Small Linux does not give the required applications for use in an educational environment: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ Therefore I propose: * A project to make a de-bloated OLPC-profile for DebianEdu -- It should investigate the memory usage on todays standalone-profile -- It should de-bloate kwin windows manager and investigate replacements as xfce and ICEwm. -- It should look to the municipality of Kongsvinger solution with use of Konqueror as a file-browser and possible replacement for FireFox as a web-browser -- Look at Koffice as a replacement for OpenOffice.org (this is meant for kids, and they do not really need a fully fletched office suite when they uses computers for learning. Then browser applications with teaching tools are the thing to use e.g Moodle and http://mathforum.org/mathtools/cell/a,ALL,ALL,ALL/) -- It should use the laptop connectivity solution made by Andreas Johansen to connect Debian systems to the Skolelinux-nettwork. And the laptop should work on a network at home without Skolelinux connection. I will propose this to students who does last year projects also :-) Sincerely Knut Yrvin ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/