From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sisyphus@altlinux.ru From: Arioch Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:26:20 +0400 Message-ID: References: <20050907084019.GF6899@osdn.org.ua> <20050908040008.GB5713@wrars-comp.wrarsdomain> <20050908174843.GI5713@wrars-comp.wrarsdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.249.152.133 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; ru-RU; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050815 Thunderbird/1.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: ru-ru, ru In-Reply-To: <20050908174843.GI5713@wrars-comp.wrarsdomain> Sender: news Subject: [sisyphus] Re: =?koi8-r?b?z9PNz9TSIMLVxNXdxcfPIMnL08/XIDotKQ==?= X-BeenThere: sisyphus@altlinux.ru X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Sisyphus discussion list List-Id: ALT Linux Sisyphus discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 19:33:19 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: > the system console should be totally reliable and tamper proof. =FA=C4=C5=D3=D8 =CE=C5 =C7=CF=D7=CF=D2=C9=D4=D3=D1 =CF =C1=D5=D4=C5=CE=D4= =C9=C6=C9=CB=C1=C3=C9=C9 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D1. =FE=D4=CF = =C9 =D0=D5=C7=C1=C5=D4. > to handle multiuser by creating a process for each user. 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