From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:48:43 +0600 From: Andrey Rahmatullin To: sisyphus@altlinux.ru Subject: Re: [sisyphus] Re: =?koi8-r?B?z9PNz9TSIMLV?= =?koi8-r?B?xNXdxcfPIMnL08/X?= :-) Message-ID: <20050908174843.GI5713@wrars-comp.wrarsdomain> References: <20050907084019.GF6899@osdn.org.ua> <20050908040008.GB5713@wrars-comp.wrarsdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pfTAc8Cvt8L6I27a" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: ALT Linux Sisyphus User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9+cvs20050717i X-Spam-Status: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.790979, IP:212.23.82.234 X-Sagator-Scanner: 0.5.4-0rc6 at d166; drop(clamd()) deliver(BogoFilter()) X-Sagator-id: 20050908-235414-0001-06753-l8c8uy X-BeenThere: sisyphus@altlinux.ru X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Sisyphus discussion list List-Id: ALT Linux Sisyphus discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:55:56 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: --pfTAc8Cvt8L6I27a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 09:20:47PM +0400, Arioch wrote: > >=E2=CC=C9=CE. =FC=D4=CF =D0=D2=CF =D3=C9=D3=D4=C5=CD=CE=D5=C0 =CB=CF=CE= =D3=CF=CC=D8, =CB=CF=D4=CF=D2=C1=D1 =C9=DA kernel panic =D2=C1=C2=CF=D4=C1= =D4=D8 =C4=CF=CC=D6=CE=C1. > =F7 =D4=CF=CD =DE=C9=D3=CC=C5 =C9=DA =D0=C1=CE=C9=CB=C9, =CE=CF =CE=C5 = =D4=CF=CC=D8=CB=CF. =FA=C1=DE=C5=CD =D7=C1=CD =DC=D4=C1 =CB=CF=CE=D3=CF=CC=D8 =D7 =DB=D4=C1=D4= =CE=D9=C8 =D3=C9=D4=D5=C1=C3=C9=D1=C8? =F5 =D7=C1=D3 =C5=D3=D4=D8 user consoles, xterm =C9 sudo. > >=ED=CE=CF=C7=CF =DE=C5=CD. =FE=C9=D4=C1=CA=D4=C5 =D3=D4=C1=D4=D8=C0. > =EE=C5=D4, =D1 =C5=C5 =C3=C9=D4=C9=D2=D5=C0 =CE=C5 =DE=C9=D4=C1=D1. =E9 = =D7=CF=CF=C2=DD=C5 =CE=C5 =D1, =C1 =D2=CF=C2=CF=D4 =D3=CC=D5=DE=C1=CA=CE=D9= =CA =CB=D5=D3=CB=C9=20 > =D7=D9=C8=D7=C1=D4=D9=D7=C1=C5=D4. =E2=D5=C4=C5=CD =C2=D2=C1=D4=D8 =DA=C1 =C3=C9=D4=C9=D2=CF=D7=C1=CE=C9=C5 = =D0=CF =D3=D4=C1=CE=C4=C1=D2=D4=CE=CF=CA =D4=C1=CB=D3=C5? the system console should be totally reliable and tamper proof. 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