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On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 09:22:45PM +0300, Vitaly Lipatov wrote:
> > =F7=D9 =D0=CF=D7=C5=D2=C9=D4=C5, =DE=D4=CF HAL - =DC=D4=CF =CE=C9 =D2=
=C1=DA=D5 =CE=C5 =D0=D2=CF =C1=D7=D4=CF=CD=C1=D5=CE=D4 =D7 =D4=CF=CD =C5=C7=
=CF
> > =D0=CF=CE=C9=CD=C1=CE=C9=C9, =CB=CF=D4=CF=D2=CF=C5 =C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=
=DA=D5=C5=D4=D3=D1 =D7 submount/supermount?
> =F7 =C4=C1=CE=CE=D9=CA =CD=CF=CD=C5=CE=D4 =CD=CE=C5 =D7=D3=A3 =D2=C1=D7=
=CE=CF =DE=D4=CF =D4=C1=CB=CF=C5 HAL, =C2=C5=DA=D2=C1=DA=CC=C9=DE=CE=D9 =C5=
=C7=CF=20
> =D0=CF=CE=D1=D4=C9=D1 =C9 =D0=CF=CE=C9=CD=C1=CE=C9=D1.
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=D5=CA=D3=D4=C1, =CE=C1 =CD=C5=D3=D4=C1=C8 =C4=CF =D0=CF=CC=CE=CF=CA =CF=D3=
=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7=CB=C9
=D3=C1=CD=CF=CC=C5=D4=C1. =EB =D7=D9=C8=CF=C4=D5 =D7=C1=D3 =D0=D2=C9=C7=CC=
=C1=D3=D1=D4.

> =F2=C5=DA=D5=CC=D8=D4=C1=D4 =CE=C1=DB=C5=CA =D2=C1=C2=CF=D4=D9 =C4=CF=CC=
=D6=C5=CE =C2=D9=D4=D8 =D0=D2=CF=D3=D4 =C9 =CF=DE=C5=D7=C9=C4=C5=CE:
> =D7=D3=D4=C1=D7=C9=CC =C4=C9=D3=CB/=C4=C9=D3=CB=C5=D4=D5/=C6=CC=DC=DB=CB=
=D5/=C6=CF=D4=CF=C1=D0=D0=C1=D2=C1=D4, =D0=C5=D2=C5=DB=A3=CC =D7 =CB=C1=D4=
=C1=CC=CF=C7=20
> (cd/konqueror/nautilus) =C9 =D5=D7=C9=C4=C5=CC =C6=C1=CA=CC=D9.
=F4=C1=CB =CF=CE=CF =C9 =C5=D3=D4=D8, =D0=D2=C9=DE=C5=CD, =D5=D6=C5 =D3=C5=
=CA=DE=C1=D3.

> > =D4=C5=D0=C5=D2=D8 - =D4=C5=CD =DE=D4=CF =D7 =CB=C1=D6=C4=CF=C5 =D0=D2=
=C9=CC=CF=D6=C5=CE=C9=C5, =C4=C1=D6=C5 =CE=C1 =D7=C9=CE=C4=C5, =CE=D5=D6=CE=
=CF
> > =C2=D5=C4=C5=D4 =D7=D3=D4=D2=CF=C9=D4=D8 =CB=CF=C4, =CD=CF=CE=D4=C9=D2=
=D5=C0=DD=C9=CA =CB=C1=D4=C1=CC=CF=C7 =D0=C5=D2=C5=C4 =CF=D4=CB=D2=D9=D4=C9=
=C5=CD
> > =C4=C1=CE=CE=CF=C7=CF =CB=C1=D4=C1=CC=CF=C7=C1.=20
> =EE=C5 =D3=CF=D7=D3=C5=CD =D4=C1=CB, =CE=CF =D0=CF=C8=CF=D6=C5 - =C9=CE=
=C1=DE=C5 =CB =DE=C5=CD=D5 =D2=C1=DA=C7=CF=D7=CF=D2=D9 =CF =D7=D3=D4=D2=C1=
=C9=D7=C1=CE=C9=C9=20
> =D0=CF=C4=C4=C5=D2=D6=CB=C9 HAL =D7 KDE/GNOME/WindowMaker =D0=D2=C9 =CF=
=C2=D3=D5=D6=C4=C5=CE=C9=C9=20
> =CD=CF=CE=D4=C9=D2=CF=D7=C1=CE=C9=D1.

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=CE=CF, =D5=D6=C5 =D0=C9=D3=C1=CC =CF=C2 =DC=D4=CF=CD. =F0=CF=D7=D4=CF=D2=
=C0=D3=D8.

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=C2=D2=C1=DA=CF=CD, =D7=DA=C1=C9=CD=CF=C4=C5=CA=D3=D4=D7=C9=C5 =D3 =D0=CF=
=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=C5=CD,
=F7=DA=C1=C9=CD=CF=C4=C5=CA=D3=D4=D7=C9=C5 =DC=D4=CF =CD=CF=D6=C5=D4 =C2=D9=
=D4=D8 =D2=C1=DA=CE=D9=CD, =CF=D4 =CE=CF=D4=C9=C6=C9=CB=C1=C3=C9=CA =CF =D0=
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=D4=D7=C5=CE=CE=CF" =C4=CC=D1
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=C2=CF=DE=C5=CA =D3=D2=C5=C4=D9, =D4=CF =C5=D3=D4=D8, =D7=CF-=D0=C5=D2=D7=
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=C1=D4=D8 =C2=C9=C2=CC=C9=CF=D4=C5=CB=C9
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=CF=C4=C1 =D4=D2=C5=C9, =CD=C5=C8=C1=CE=C9=DA=CD=D9 =CE=CF=D4=C9=C6=C9=CB=
=C1=C3=C9=C9 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D1
=C9=D4=D0), =D0=D2=C9=CE=D1=D4=D9=C5 =D7 =C4=C1=CE=CE=CF=CA =D3=D2=C5=C4=C5.

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=CF=D6=C5=CE=CE=D9=C8 =CE=C1 HAL =DA=C1=C4=C1=DE =D0=CF=D3=CC=D5=D6=C9=CC =
=CD=C5=C8=C1=CE=C9=DA=CD =CF=C2=CD=C5=CE=C1
=D3=CF=CF=C2=DD=C5=CE=C9=D1=CD=C9 D-BUS. =E4=CC=D1 =C2=C9=C2=CC=C9=CF=D4=C5=
=CB=C9 dbus =D7 =C4=C1=CE=CE=D9=CA =CD=CF=CD=C5=CE=D4, =D3=D5=DD=C5=D3=D4=
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=D7=CF-=D0=C5=D2=D7=D9=C8, =CE=C9=DA=CB=CF=D5=D2=CF=D7=CE=C5=D7=D9=CA API, =
=D7=CF-=D7=D4=CF=D2=D9=C8, =D0=D2=C9=D7=D1=DA=CB=C9 =CB =D2=C1=DA=CC=C9=DE=
=CE=D9=CD =D1=DA=D9=CB=C1=CD =C9
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n, mono, gcj (2Pavel Mironchyk: =F0=E5=F2=E5=F3=EF=E2=E5=F2=E9=F4=E5,
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=D7=D9=D3=CF=CB=CF=D5=D2=CF=D7=CE=C5=D7=D9=CA API": =C9=CE=D4=C5=C7=D2=C1=
=C3=C9=D1 =D3 glib
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=C9 =D4=C5=C8=CE=CF=CC=CF=C7=C9=CA =D0=D2=CF=C7=D2=C1=CD=CD=C9=D2=CF=D7=C1=
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=D3=CF=C2=D9=D4=C9=CA =D4=C1=CB=CF=CA
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=CE=C5=D4, =C8=CF=D4=D1, =D2=C1=DA=D5=CD=C5=C5=D4=D3=D1, =CF=CE=C1 =D7=CF=
=DA=CD=CF=D6=CE=C1.
=F4=C1=CE=C3=C5=D7=C1=D4=D8 =CD=CF=D6=CE=CF, =D0=CF =D3=CC=CF=D7=C1=CD =E8=
=C1=D7=CF=CB=C1, =CF=D4 =D0=D2=C9=D7=D1=DA=CB=C9 =CB glib.

=E9=D4=C1=CB, =D3=C8=C5=CD=C1=D4=C9=DE=CE=CF =CE=CF=D7=D9=CA =CD=C5=C8=C1=
=CE=C9=DA=CD =D2=C1=C2=CF=D4=C1=C5=D4 =D3=CC=C5=C4=D5=C0=DD=C9=CD =CF=C2=D2=
=C1=DA=CF=CD:

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 | =EB=CC=C9=C5=CE=D4 HAL, =CF=D3=D5=DD=C5=D3=D4=D7=CC=D1=C0=DD=C9=CA =CE=
=CF=D4=C9=C6=C9=CB=C1=C3=C9=C0 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=C0,      |
 | =CD=CF=CE=D4=C9=D2=CF=D7=C1=CE=C9=C5 =C9 =C4=D2=D5=C7=C9=C5 =C4=C5=CA=D3=
=D4=D7=C9=D1 =D0=CF =D0=CF=CC=D5=DE=C5=CE=C9=C9 =D3=CF=C2=D9=D4=C9=D1      =
 |
 | =CF=D4 =C4=C5=CD=CF=CE=C1 HAL. =F6=C5=CC=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8=CE=CF =D3 =D4=CF=
=DE=CB=C9 =DA=D2=C5=CE=C9=D1 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D1,    |
 | =DE=D4=CF=C2=D9 =DC=D4=CF=D4 =CB=CC=C9=C5=CE=D4 =D7=D0=C9=D3=D9=D7=C1=CC=
=D3=D1 =D7 =D3=D2=C5=C4=D5 =C4=C1=CE=CE=CF=C7=CF =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=
=D4=C5=CC=D1 |
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                  /\
                  ||
        | =F4=D2=C1=CE=D3=D0=CF=D2=D4 (=D3=C9=D3=D4=C5=CD=CE=C1=D1 =DB=C9=
=CE=C1 D-BUS) |
	          ||
                  \/
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 | =E4=C5=CD=CF=CE HAL, =C6=CF=D2=CD=C9=D2=D5=C0=DD=C9=CA =D3=D0=C9=D3=CB=
=C9 =D5=D3=D4=D2=CF=CA=D3=D4=D7 =C9 =C9=C8 =D3=D7=CF=CA=D3=D4=D7 =CE=C1    |
 | =C4=C1=CE=CE=CF=CD =CB=CF=CD=D0=D8=C0=D4=C5=D2=C5 =C9 =D3=CF=C2=D9=D4=C9=
=D1 =D0=CF =C9=DA=CD=C5=CE=C5=CE=C9=C0 =DC=D4=C9=C8 =D3=D0=C9=D3=CB=CF=D7  =
    |
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     ||               | =EE=C1=C2=CC=C0=C4=C5=CE=C9=C5 =DA=C1 =D5=D3=D4=D2=
=CF=CA=D3=D4=D7=C1=CD=C9 (=D0=CF=CC=CC=C9=CE=C7), |
     \/               | =CE=C5 =D5=D0=D2=C1=D7=CC=D1=C0=DD=C9=CD=C9=D3=D1 =
=DE=C5=D2=C5=DA Hotplug       |
 --       --          | (CD-=C4=C9=D3=CB=C9, =CB=C1=D2=C4-=D2=C9=C4=C5=D2=
=D9, =D7=D3=D1=CB=C9=C5 =C8=C9=D4=D2=D9=C5 |
 | Hotplug |          | PCMCIA-=D5=D3=D4=D2=CF=CA=D3=D4=D7=C1 =C9=D4=D0)   =
             |
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=20

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=D1=D7=CC=D1=C5=D4=D3=D1
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=C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=D8, =D4=CF=D4 =D6=C5 kvm =C9=DA-=D0=CF=C4
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=CC=D8=CE=C1=D1 =D3=D2=C5=C4=C1 =CF HAL =CD=CF=D6=C5=D4 =D3=CC=D9=C8=CF=CD =
=CE=C5 =D3=CC=D9=C8=C9=D7=C1=D4=D8.


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