From: info <5740@mail.ru> To: sisyphus@altlinux.ru Subject: [sisyphus] Для сведения сборщиков ALSA, KDE и GNOME: Fwd: Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] Gnomemeeting on notebooks under KDE Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:58:07 +0300 Message-ID: <200312191158.10495.5740@mail.ru> (raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 851 bytes --] Долгое обсуждение с майнтейнером gnomemeeting проблемы, как можно использовать разного рода мультимедийные плейеры, имея в трее ожидающий вызова гномемеетинг, и не бояться, что при ответе на вызов этот гномемиитинг вам скажет /dev/dsp busy (и, соответственно, в видеоконференции не будет звука), закончились тем, что Сандрас отказался встраивать в свой продукт возможности для принудительной приостановки других аудио- и видеоприложений при ответе на вызов; вместо этого он предлагает создавать virtual DMIX ALSA soundcard - хотя сам же и признается, что никогда с ней не работал. Также он предлагает замыкать artsd (и, надо думать, esd в гноме) на эту карту. Очевидно также, в этой связи, что будет полезным устанавливать по умолчанию время засыпания artsd не в 60 секунд, как сейчас, а максимум в 1-2 секунды, может даже в 0. Георгий [-- Attachment #2: Damien Sandras <damien.sandras@it-optics.com>: Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] Gnomemeeting on notebooks under KDE --] [-- Type: message/rfc822, Size: 6260 bytes --] 1]) by seconix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDAA9EFF for <gnomemeeting-list@gnome.org>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:31:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] Gnomemeeting on notebooks under KDE =46rom: Damien Sandras <damien.sandras@it-optics.com> To: gnomemeeting-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200312171418.05677.5740@mail.ru> References: <200312161505.10430.5740@mail.ru> <200312162011.29933.5740@mail.ru> <1071595819.2699.8.camel@golgoth01> <200312171418.05677.5740@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-15 Message-Id: <1071739742.849.20.camel@golgoth01> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5=20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnomemeeting-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnomemeeting-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnomemeeting-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnomemeeting-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gnomemeeting-list@gnome.org List-Help: <mailto:gnomemeeting-list-request@gnome.org?subject=3Dhelp> List-Post: <mailto:gnomemeeting-list@gnome.org> List-Subscribe: <http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnomemeeting-list>, <mailto:gnomemeeting-list-request@gnome.org?subject=3Dsubscribe> List-Id: GnomeMeeting mailing list <gnomemeeting-list.gnome.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnomemeeting-list= >, <mailto:gnomemeeting-list-request@gnome.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnomemeeting-list/> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:30:31 +0100 X-Spam: Not detected Status: R=20 X-Status: N X-KMail-EncryptionState: =20 X-KMail-SignatureState: =20 Le mer 17/12/2003 =E0 12:18, info a =E9crit : > Yes. Because it's a question of respect to my correspondent.=20 > Imagine, please - you call me, but can't hear me because my=20 > /dev/dsp is bisy... What you will think about me? > In another words, my decision to ansver your call means my=20 > decision to close my audio/video apps; and if I decided to set=20 > auto-answer, this means my agreement with auto-closing=20 > audio/video apps.=20 >=20 > So, this feature I speak about is only for automatize the=20 > actions that now you and I had to make by hands: when we see=20 > call and want to ansver, we must manually close sound/video=20 > applications in any vay. =20 >=20 > Of course, it must be a user-selected feature: somewhere in=20 > settings must be a radio-button with words "Automatically close=20 > all sound/video applications on incoming and outgoing calls".=20 >=20 That won't happen. Other maintainers would think I'm crazy to auto-kill other programs. That doesn't make sense. > And... Of course, the ideal way will be a possibility of shared=20 > usage /dev/dsp by gnomemeeting and players - maybe, with=20 > automatically reduced volume... But this is inpossible - or=20 > not? >=20 It will be possible the day where GNOME and KDE will both adopt a good sound daemon. Currently, the only possibility is to create a virtual DMIX ALSA soundcard (check their doc, I never tried), and to use that virtual soundcard as output for all programs. That will transparently work with all applications! > > > > I'm personnally using xmms, xine without artsd or esd, and > > when I have to answer an incoming call, I stop the sound > > playing. >=20 > I use xine, noatun and kscd. IMHO, noatun make better sound, and=20 > if you want, I am ready to prove it by experiment. I have one=20 > mp3 file (Tonino Carotone, Me en el cago del amor, 6M). When I=20 > listen it on xmms, I hear some speedup in the beginning of=20 > song; when I listen it on noatun, all is normally. (Of course,=20 > it is my personal mind...) >=20 > Noatun (and kscd) needs artsd. They automatically start artsd=20 > even if it wasn't start before. And even if I close noatun,=20 > artsd stay as daemon.=20 >=20 You can tell to artsd to bind to the virtual ALSA soundcard. > This means that if I start gnomemeeting (without artsd, of=20 > course), and then start noatun - gnomemeeting will not work on=20 > incoming call even if I close noatun. Because artsd will not=20 > stop with noatun, an /dev/dsp will bisy for gnomemeeting. > =20 There is an option in artsd to make it release the dsp soundcard when it is not used. > This is problem, and I don't know how to solve it - not only for=20 > me, but for my users who don't know what is "ps aux" and work=20 > only in GUI with OpenOffice. (I am admin in company with office=20 > decktops on Linuxes). =20 >=20 > > If you have video preview (what you are describing) enabled, > > but video transmission disabled, there will be no video > > transmission. Similarly, if you have video preview disabled, > > but video transmission is enabled, there will be a video > > transmission. You don't need to play with the preview. > > > > Do you understand what I mean? >=20 > YES!!! It's my mistake: I thought that I must to switch on=20 > camera, but it is only preview... >=20 > George >=20 > _______________________________________________ > GnomeMeeting-list mailing list > GnomeMeeting-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnomemeeting-list =2D-=20 _ Damien Sandras (o- =20 //\ It-Optics s.a. v_/_ GnomeMeeting: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ FOSDEM 2004: http://www.fosdem.org H.323 phone: callto:ils.seconix.com/dsandras@seconix.com _______________________________________________ GnomeMeeting-list mailing list GnomeMeeting-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnomemeeting-list
next reply other threads:[~2003-12-19 8:58 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2003-12-19 8:58 info [this message] 2003-12-19 9:10 ` Sergey V Turchin 2003-12-19 9:38 ` Danil V. Glova 2003-12-19 11:51 ` info 2003-12-19 11:58 ` Sergey V Turchin 2003-12-19 12:11 ` info 2003-12-19 12:33 ` Sergey V Turchin 2003-12-19 12:40 ` info 2003-12-19 18:25 ` Sergey V Turchin 2003-12-19 18:47 ` Sergey V Turchin 2003-12-19 12:26 ` info 2003-12-19 12:49 ` [JT] " Sviataslau Svirydau 2003-12-19 9:24 ` [sisyphus] " Michael Shigorin 2003-12-19 10:25 ` Sergey 2003-12-19 11:43 ` [sisyphus] Re: =?koi8-r?q?Re=3A =E4=CC=D1=20=D3=D7=C5=C4=C5=CE=C9=D1?= сборщиков ALSA, KDE и GNOME: Fwd: Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] =?koi8-r?q?=20Gnomemeeting on=20notebooks=20under?= KDE Michael Shigorin 2003-12-19 11:45 ` [sisyphus] Re: Для сведения сборщиков ALSA, KDE и GNOME: Fwd: Re: [GnomeMeeting-list] Gnomemeeting on notebooks under KDE info 2003-12-19 12:04 ` Michael Shigorin 2003-12-19 12:06 ` Michael Shigorin 2003-12-19 16:45 ` [sisyphus] Re: Для сведения сборщиков ALSA, KR ▓\x04\x7fNOME: " Денис Смирнов 2003-12-19 11:36 ` [sisyphus] Для сведения сборщиков ALSA, KDE и GNOME: " Alexandre Prokoudine 2003-12-19 12:33 ` info
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