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Diez" To: kbd@lists.altlinux.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19498 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 00:02:05 +0300 Subject: [kbd] Characters '<', '>' etc. with German layout X-BeenThere: kbd@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Linux console tools development discussion List-Id: Linux console tools development discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 16:01:26 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 17:01:16 +0100 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 16:01:26 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: Hi all: I am using Ubuntu 20.04.4, with the MATE Desktop Environment, on a=20 Lenovo ThinkPad T440s laptop. I believe that the right keyboard model for this laptop is a "Lenovo=20 (previously IBM)", "IBM Space Saver". On xkeycaps, I think the right model is "IBM", "ThinkPad 770". I have 2 keyboard layouts installed: Spanish and German, and I am having = difficulty typing some common ASCII characters like '<', '>', the pipe=20 symbol '|', etc. That is very annoying when working on a shell console. When using the Spanish layout, I can get '<' and '>' by holding the=20 right Alt key and one of the shift keys, and then pressing 'x' or 'z'=20 (it may be 'y', because 'y' and 'z' and swapped on German keyboards). However, when using the German layout, the same key combinations=20 generate some Unicode variant of '<' and '>', namely '=E2=80=B9' and '=E2= =80=BA', which=20 the shell does not recognise as redirection indicators. I haven't managed to type the pipe symbol ('|') yet with the German=20 layout, so I am constantly switching layouts. Is there an easy way to fix these annoyances? Or do I have to learn how=20 to create my own keyboard layouts? I am completely unfamiliar with Linux keyboard support. Is the kbd=20 project the right place to ask at all? Thanks in advance, rdiez