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Diez" Message-ID: <9e0e63f5-f571-b218-259f-bd1632aa5ff4@yahoo.de> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:39:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20220106132749.j3vh7bkpwaikulkr@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19551 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Cc: Linux console tools development discussion Subject: Re: [kbd] Characters '<', '>' etc. with German layout X-BeenThere: kbd@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Linux console tools development discussion List-Id: Linux console tools development discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 19:39:11 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: > [...] > How did you configure the keymap in the console? I didn't. I installed Ubuntu MATE with the GUI installer. O8-) > Since you mentioned ubuntu, I can assume that you have the console-setup > package installed. Is it so ? Yes, it is apparently installed by default on Ubuntu MATE systems. Or at least I didn't install it manually. > If so, can you show me content of /etc/default/keyboard ? Unfortunately, that is the laptop I use while on holidays, and I am back from holiday. 8-( I'll post the file contents the next time around. I do not expect to see anything fancy there. It is not a file that I have ever touched. I have another IBM ThinkPad laptop with Ubuntu MATE too, which works fine with the "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)". But I changed the keyboard to "Lenovo (previously IBM)", "IBM Space Saver", as the outcome should be the same as with the other laptop. These are the contents of that file: --------8<--------8<--------8<-------- $ cat /etc/default/keyboard # KEYBOARD CONFIGURATION FILE # Consult the keyboard(5) manual page. XKBMODEL="pc105" XKBLAYOUT="gb" XKBVARIANT="" XKBOPTIONS="" BACKSPACE="guess" --------8<--------8<--------8<-------- Now that is unexpected. The keyboard is set in Ubuntu MATE to "IBM Space Saver", but nevertheless, that file says it is still "pc105". And I have rebooted the laptop at least once since the keyboard change. > If you use console-setup then it's better to ask a package maintainers. What package maintainer should that be? The Ubuntu MATE project will probably tell me that's an Ubuntu thing, Ubuntu will say that it is a Debian thing, Debian will say it's an X-Server and/or kbd thing... I keep thinking that I cannot be the only guy with such keyboard issues on a ThinkPad. But say that I have another laptop brand. What would you tell a user that wants to change the character some key generates? Does that depend on whether the user runs Fedora or Debian? Does that depend on the desktop environment (KDE/GNOME/...)? Is that different for X, for a text console inside X, or for a text mode console? I just read the following in file /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian (on my Ubuntu MATE system): "In Debian the default keyboard layout is shared between the console and X. It is specified in /etc/default/keyboard." That gives me hope that there is a way to change such key characters globally for both X and the text console. But I am afraid of running "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" etc. The keyboard layout seems to be working fine on this laptop, including switching between Spanish and German layouts. If I run such a command, will it break the keyboard on my MATE Desktop? Thanks for your help, rdiez