From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on sa.local.altlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=19ns98kQbPvHcWh2CZCepXMNUcRqEuA0Cjzq8NtvPuk=; b=MXfIxPhYKXK8OKqHSEYgxABhogqb2QNh6oe0uWOPzxGXVUQv7+dr9D0ZxZLF772T0C CGWyGpiquOaAYMKEOQkRhKxS6S6NpP6apTaqkb34grMgPYenamV2MFU+H10Hq4WdFhZw +bOp61l8CeGLroDEGFLdsGFMZVpGCVR9D+AuI0F+8HDhvBGTQkLsF8b/zCa6NF+bnc5d XvS0S3AAHXNmbtsTFqjre72nkt8ESIm9qPAoKmxx8GsYG3aY7mYs1TCjKhste5ix1S20 VSMsKy6uz/oHM5nX8VL429NYcxZGK44XfpFkFAinfqXiEPq3ZZYNn7De7p2+wS2fVgi8 gQBA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=19ns98kQbPvHcWh2CZCepXMNUcRqEuA0Cjzq8NtvPuk=; b=sfI+pYeVVzE4GVXCVHBRMB1g+4yV9LdnUtrXHi6nS5kfBcvb3P0Mb+PUbOHcC0bSy0 alifv5UmNFr/doV9br2UJtw8N29JDu8zyyV3TVuyz90o0HTOjVpAOZpQyBoAMl4SxwGR 3s1t04nUYawbMO/Gq4kGOdPlrAV6ycZV9kBs4+YJrFaAXYHBX6gxfVxdnV1sdrtyUFL5 hUBilHR9vESuc0mB2cEJ3yYoQSuJBYhHghP9AHDVko+gq+FJp28+LXMk5nkJTzbz7SGM /LdqlpIWIYafUGCAPUZrmRHlYhD9mrQp1Bmt6jcgTeApcHsDeHdbwYQF737+j0a3apvK WLMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533uJbdW+9zAC7s6d5rExpPYnEI+ACz+8bvuMEk2ioObfrgWUMrH tQ3mRJpyvpmEVX3DYbgqSuo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyjMCleozq0tcWSlXbNIitoxCGadyJIChPmPsCECEzx/sSvcxg8JAMpQmtGCAgxVSwpZhFEvQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:fa02:: with SMTP id m2mr18845783wrr.571.1642422572785; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 04:29:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:29:28 +0100 From: Alexey Gladkov To: "R. Diez" Message-ID: <20220117122928.zrkvfz75im357t25@example.org> References: <288cad40-8cbb-33af-85a5-3ee651eed3f1.ref@yahoo.de> <288cad40-8cbb-33af-85a5-3ee651eed3f1@yahoo.de> <20220106132749.j3vh7bkpwaikulkr@example.org> <9e0e63f5-f571-b218-259f-bd1632aa5ff4@yahoo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9e0e63f5-f571-b218-259f-bd1632aa5ff4@yahoo.de> Cc: Linux console tools development discussion Subject: Re: [kbd] Characters '<', '>' etc. with German layout X-BeenThere: kbd@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Linux console tools development discussion List-Id: Linux console tools development discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:29:36 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 08:39:00PM +0100, R. Diez wrote: > > > [...] > > How did you configure the keymap in the console? > > I didn't. I installed Ubuntu MATE with the GUI installer. O8-) > > > > Since you mentioned ubuntu, I can assume that you have the console-setup > > package installed. Is it so ? > > Yes, it is apparently installed by default on Ubuntu MATE systems. Or at least I didn't install it manually. > > > > If so, can you show me content of /etc/default/keyboard ? > > Unfortunately, that is the laptop I use while on holidays, and I am back from holiday. 8-( > > I'll post the file contents the next time around. > > I do not expect to see anything fancy there. It is not a file that I have ever touched. > > I have another IBM ThinkPad laptop with Ubuntu MATE too, which works fine > with the "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)". But I changed the keyboard to "Lenovo > (previously IBM)", "IBM Space Saver", as the outcome should be the same as > with the other laptop. > > These are the contents of that file: > > --------8<--------8<--------8<-------- > > $ cat /etc/default/keyboard > > # KEYBOARD CONFIGURATION FILE > > # Consult the keyboard(5) manual page. > > XKBMODEL="pc105" > XKBLAYOUT="gb" > XKBVARIANT="" > XKBOPTIONS="" > > BACKSPACE="guess" > > --------8<--------8<--------8<-------- > > Now that is unexpected. The keyboard is set in Ubuntu MATE to "IBM Space > Saver", but nevertheless, that file says it is still "pc105". And I have > rebooted the laptop at least once since the keyboard change. > > > > If you use console-setup then it's better to ask a package maintainers. > > What package maintainer should that be? The Ubuntu MATE project will > probably tell me that's an Ubuntu thing, Ubuntu will say that it is a Debian > thing, Debian will say it's an X-Server and/or kbd thing... > > I keep thinking that I cannot be the only guy with such keyboard issues on a ThinkPad. > > But say that I have another laptop brand. What would you tell a user that > wants to change the character some key generates? Does that depend on > whether the user runs Fedora or Debian? Does that depend on the desktop > environment (KDE/GNOME/...)? Is that different for X, for a text console > inside X, or for a text mode console? > > I just read the following in file /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian (on my Ubuntu MATE system): > > "In Debian the default keyboard layout is shared between the console > and X. It is specified in /etc/default/keyboard." The /etc/default/keyboard is a configuration file of console-setup. This project creates a kbd keymap from an xkb keymap. It looks like some characters were taken from unicode during the conversion process. > That gives me hope that there is a way to change such key characters globally for both X and the text console. > > But I am afraid of running "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" etc. > The keyboard layout seems to be working fine on this laptop, including > switching between Spanish and German layouts. If I run such a command, will > it break the keyboard on my MATE Desktop? > > Thanks for your help, > rdiez > -- Rgrds, legion