From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on sa.local.altlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; bh=ACs8PEHgSJ/4Q+zchfmjkUGduNnSbfxJD9RJlPek3tQ=; b=AIqTw9tY1ePQkULH54rgBjq7SswLD5TFn4Yaz+xvBb5+JPMrB23kfsxAS0ybgFotqn /JyjVHO4QvmnEAXlXuBvYYq4qRlZcU9J7oj5P3LS85DEh+8h/IoGumUw/QreG6SFJSeQ xxQW9z3Vuw6Qn1giXFG9eI+zeFxze917HEXiizFxjI/yIChRMlzchAKC/xgK2oosybdW WASItFcDo4gMeVjsDhxejwn/j1Hmz14t4pHb0BA9Gcg72Tl7qzGFNqXVbxBQ8IhNw3sj Xz9bqwqSnG1DqP0od1W51wyy/q2u9DBCcoOc5TjXPJwv3BGY4duEjTRls6Z7pxvHncWX Zj/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to; bh=ACs8PEHgSJ/4Q+zchfmjkUGduNnSbfxJD9RJlPek3tQ=; b=WdUaUnghwTYL9m3SPYj/mr0Oc+cpvJ7PgMZUGEyTFe52DzKZEHlcTikymFJAvfusP3 mMupBKPRKfYc5WmwlKsdrhno+5gcPhktjeWbBb+lbDwkaj26M9VuCuwDFSrzkZrzNJaM xoGyK6G3laGxblMXoWdwYq7X1+e8VHp0tiOkDdHkRiwpEV1M3b/zsreb8tDR0LXe9T6R NxVVzg0c+lWSSB3Y73A0G2MaVjG1DzJ1sRspBFEm/TT+SsPzS4i9jwHjjPqrI1ciqYDl xW7Iht/02sqth4jUU9suKOoTo5ig0vh3t76vA5c6PKbYizVT74J7fkYvd/jS6PJQxSdx dLTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533nfYpVM4XoVoU4a2QO5e8iQ/l6qwqnfnujTTnzcomY5RkF8+/T vB3gbVb1M8rhaX+AoNgD0Bp5iUcwwok= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyOlCw0mrJ5FDll+Ol5PnsZxY03zWNMZ/rz6Mnsa0niJbswRIcFe3DRvp8Aqm9FhgYgEuxKhA== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:64a9:: with SMTP id m9mr51126297wrp.143.1641475674265; Thu, 06 Jan 2022 05:27:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:27:49 +0100 From: Alexey Gladkov To: Linux console tools development discussion Message-ID: <20220106132749.j3vh7bkpwaikulkr@example.org> References: <288cad40-8cbb-33af-85a5-3ee651eed3f1.ref@yahoo.de> <288cad40-8cbb-33af-85a5-3ee651eed3f1@yahoo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <288cad40-8cbb-33af-85a5-3ee651eed3f1@yahoo.de> Subject: Re: [kbd] Characters '<', '>' etc. with German layout X-BeenThere: kbd@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Linux console tools development discussion List-Id: Linux console tools development discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 13:36:37 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: On Wed, Jan 05, 2022 at 04:49:20PM +0100, R. Diez wrote: > Hi all: > > I am using Ubuntu 20.04.4, with the MATE Desktop Environment, on a > Lenovo ThinkPad T440s laptop. > > I believe that the right keyboard model for this laptop is a "Lenovo > (previously IBM)", "IBM Space Saver". > > On xkeycaps, I think the right model is "IBM", "ThinkPad 770". > > I have 2 keyboard layouts installed: Spanish and German, and I am having > difficulty typing some common ASCII characters like '<', '>', the pipe > symbol '|', etc. That is very annoying when working on a shell console. > > When using the Spanish layout, I can get '<' and '>' by holding the > right Alt key and one of the shift keys, and then pressing 'x' or 'z' > (it may be 'y', because 'y' and 'z' and swapped on German keyboards). > > However, when using the German layout, the same key combinations > generate some Unicode variant of '<' and '>', namely '‹' and '›', which > the shell does not recognise as redirection indicators. > > I haven't managed to type the pipe symbol ('|') yet with the German > layout, so I am constantly switching layouts. How did you configure the keymap in the console? Since you mentioned ubuntu, I can assume that you have the console-setup package installed. Is it so ? If so, can you show me content of /etc/default/keyboard ? > Is there an easy way to fix these annoyances? Or do I have to learn how > to create my own keyboard layouts? If you use console-setup then it's better to ask a package maintainers. > I am completely unfamiliar with Linux keyboard support. Is the kbd > project the right place to ask at all? It depends :) -- Rgrds, legion