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* [Hardware] 4.1 альфа на стареньком ноуте
@ 2008-07-02 21:55 Alexei V. Mezin
  2008-07-03  6:37 ` Michael Shigorin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Alexei V. Mezin @ 2008-07-02 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: hardware

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Поставил 4.1 альфа на ноут Toshiba Satellite 5205-S505.

Про проблемы с Иксами уже писал.
Еще замечены такие проблемы и странности:

1. Почему-то "из коробки" не поднялся звук. Все микшеры на месте, все 
регулируется, все играется, только вот звука нет. lsmod и lspci -vvvnn в 
аттаче. После alsaconf был создан /etc/modprobe.d/sound и все заработало.

2. Если сеанс КДЕ некоторое время не трогать, то экран гаснет (и сессия 
лочится). Однако, пробудить экран ни мышкой, ни клавой невозможно. 
Помогает только закрытие-открытие крышки.

3. После открытия крышки экран секунды три горит ярко, потом тускнеет. 
"Аппаратные" кнопки регулировки яркости не работают (при этом питание от 
адаптера). Что вообще крутить в плане поддержки кнопки Fn?

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Module                  Size  Used by
nls_utf8                6016  1 
nls_cp866               9216  1 
vfat                   17408  1 
fat                    57500  1 vfat
nls_base               11648  4 nls_utf8,nls_cp866,vfat,fat
usb_storage            76352  1 
libusual               22180  1 usb_storage
kqemu                 124836  0 
cpufreq_powersave       5760  0 
cpufreq_conservative    11784  0 
cpufreq_ondemand       12684  0 
freq_table              8960  1 cpufreq_ondemand
nvidia               4722032  22 
cpufreq_userspace       8836  0 
i2c_core               27904  1 nvidia
dm_mod                 65732  0 
usbhid                 51456  0 
hid                    62976  1 usbhid
ff_memless              9864  1 usbhid
snd_intel8x0           38556  1 
snd_ac97_codec        104100  1 snd_intel8x0
video                  22544  0 
ac97_bus                6144  1 snd_ac97_codec
output                  7680  1 video
snd_pcm_oss            45472  0 
e100                   40716  0 
ehci_hcd               40332  0 
fan                     8708  1 
ohci_hcd               30852  0 
ohci1394               37168  0 
yenta_socket           30604  1 
rsrc_nonstatic         17536  1 yenta_socket
mii                     9600  1 e100
snd_seq_dummy           7812  0 
ieee1394               97080  1 ohci1394
ssb                    37892  1 ohci_hcd
usbcore               149612  6 usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
pcmcia                 44332  1 ssb
pcmcia_core            43924  3 yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic,pcmcia
firmware_class         13440  1 pcmcia
snd_seq_oss            38272  0 
snd_seq_midi_event     11520  1 snd_seq_oss
snd_seq                57296  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device         12556  3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_mixer_oss          20480  1 snd_pcm_oss
battery                17540  0 
thermal                19996  1 
snd_pcm                81284  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
smsc_ircc2             22944  0 
snd_timer              27780  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
processor              40680  2 thermal
ac                     10116  0 
button                 12304  0 
snd                    59812  12 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
intel_agp              28692  1 
irda                  132664  1 smsc_ircc2
soundcore              11872  1 snd
agpgart                38088  2 nvidia,intel_agp
iTCO_wdt               16292  0 
sr_mod                 22180  0 
crc_ccitt               6144  1 irda
iTCO_vendor_support     7940  1 iTCO_wdt
snd_page_alloc         14472  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
cdrom                  40096  1 sr_mod
evdev                  16000  4 
sg                     39824  0 
pcspkr                  7168  0 
ext3                  139144  2 
jbd                    51732  1 ext3
mbcache                12672  1 ext3
ata_generic            11396  0 
ata_piix               22660  3 
pata_acpi              11392  0 
libata                162416  3 ata_generic,ata_piix,pata_acpi
sd_mod                 33408  6 
scsi_mod              155020  5 usb_storage,sr_mod,sg,libata,sd_mod

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00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82845 845 [Brookdale] Chipset Host Bridge [8086:1a30] (rev 04)
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0001]
	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 0
	Region 0: Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
	Capabilities: [e4] Vendor Specific Information <?>
	Capabilities: [a0] AGP version 2.0
		Status: RQ=32 Iso- ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA+ ITACoh- GART64- HTrans- 64bit- FW+ AGP3- Rate=x1,x2,x4
		Command: RQ=1 ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA- AGP+ GART64- 64bit- FW- Rate=x4
	Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
	Kernel modules: intel-agp

00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82845 845 [Brookdale] Chipset AGP Bridge [8086:1a31] (rev 04) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
	Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap- 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 64
	Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=64
	I/O behind bridge: 0000f000-00000fff
	Memory behind bridge: fd000000-fdffffff
	Prefetchable memory behind bridge: d7f00000-dfffffff
	Secondary status: 66MHz+ FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ <SERR- <PERR-
	BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR- NoISA- VGA+ MAbort- >Reset- FastB2B-
		PriDiscTmr- SecDiscTmr- DiscTmrStat- DiscTmrSERREn-
	Kernel modules: shpchp

00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev 42) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
	Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 0
	Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=04, sec-latency=64
	I/O behind bridge: 0000d000-0000dfff
	Memory behind bridge: fce00000-fcefffff
	Prefetchable memory behind bridge: fff00000-000fffff
	Secondary status: 66MHz- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort+ <SERR- <PERR-
	BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR- NoISA- VGA- MAbort- >Reset- FastB2B-
		PriDiscTmr- SecDiscTmr- DiscTmrStat- DiscTmrSERREn-
	Kernel modules: shpchp

00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801CAM ISA Bridge (LPC) [8086:248c] (rev 02)
	Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle+ MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 0
	Kernel modules: intel-rng, iTCO_wdt

00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801CAM IDE U100 Controller [8086:248a] (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0001]
	Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 0
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
	Region 0: I/O ports at 01f0 [size=8]
	Region 1: I/O ports at 03f4 [size=1]
	Region 2: I/O ports at 0170 [size=8]
	Region 3: I/O ports at 0374 [size=1]
	Region 4: I/O ports at cfa0 [size=16]
	Region 5: Memory at 30000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
	Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
	Kernel modules: ata_piix, piix

00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:2485] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0002]
	Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 0
	Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 10
	Region 0: I/O ports at 1000 [size=256]
	Region 1: I/O ports at 1880 [size=64]
	Kernel driver in use: Intel ICH
	Kernel modules: snd-intel8x0

00:1f.6 Modem [0703]: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller [8086:2486] (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Generic])
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0001]
	Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 10
	Region 0: I/O ports at 1400 [size=256]
	Region 1: I/O ports at 1800 [size=128]
	Kernel modules: snd-intel8x0m

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 460 Go] [10de:0177] (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0001]
	Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 248 (1250ns min, 250ns max)
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 5
	Region 0: Memory at fd000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
	Region 1: Memory at d8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
	Region 2: Memory at d7f80000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=512K]
	[virtual] Expansion ROM at d7f00000 [disabled] [size=128K]
	Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
		Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
	Capabilities: [44] AGP version 2.0
		Status: RQ=32 Iso- ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA- ITACoh- GART64- HTrans- 64bit- FW+ AGP3- Rate=x1,x2,x4
		Command: RQ=32 ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA- AGP+ GART64- 64bit- FW- Rate=x4
	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
	Kernel modules: nvidia, nvidiafb

02:06.0 USB Controller [0c03]: NEC Corporation USB [1033:0035] (rev 41) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0003]
	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 64 (250ns min, 10500ns max), Cache Line Size: 32 bytes
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 6
	Region 0: Memory at fceff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
	Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=55mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
	Kernel modules: ohci-hcd

02:06.1 USB Controller [0c03]: NEC Corporation USB [1033:0035] (rev 41) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0003]
	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 64 (250ns min, 10500ns max), Cache Line Size: 32 bytes
	Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 4
	Region 0: Memory at fcefe000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
	Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=55mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
	Kernel modules: ohci-hcd

02:06.2 USB Controller [0c03]: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 [1033:00e0] (rev 02) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0001]
	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 64 (4000ns min, 8500ns max), Cache Line Size: 128 bytes
	Interrupt: pin C routed to IRQ 11
	Region 0: Memory at fce05a00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
	Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=55mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
	Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
	Kernel modules: ehci-hcd

02:07.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) [104c:8023] (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0001]
	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 64 (500ns min, 1000ns max)
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
	Region 0: Memory at fce05000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K]
	Region 1: Memory at fce00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
	Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=55mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME+
	Kernel driver in use: ohci1394
	Kernel modules: ohci1394

02:08.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller [8086:1031] (rev 42)
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems EtherExpress PRO/100 VE [1179:0001]
	Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 64 (2000ns min, 14000ns max), Cache Line Size: 32 bytes
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 4
	Region 0: Memory at fcefd000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
	Region 1: I/O ports at df40 [size=64]
	Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=2 PME-
	Kernel driver in use: e100
	Kernel modules: e100, eepro100

02:0b.0 CardBus bridge [0607]: Toshiba America Info Systems ToPIC100 PCI to Cardbus Bridge with ZV Support [1179:0617] (rev 33)
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0001]
	Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=slow >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Latency: 168
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
	Region 0: Memory at fce04000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
	Bus: primary=02, secondary=03, subordinate=03, sec-latency=0
	Memory window 0: 34000000-37fff000 (prefetchable)
	Memory window 1: 38000000-3bfff000
	I/O window 0: 0000d000-0000d0ff
	I/O window 1: 0000d400-0000d4ff
	BridgeCtl: Parity- SERR- ISA- VGA- MAbort- >Reset- 16bInt+ PostWrite+
	16-bit legacy interface ports at 0001
	Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus
	Kernel modules: yenta_socket

02:0d.0 System peripheral [0880]: Toshiba America Info Systems SD TypA Controller [1179:0805] (rev 05)
	Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device [1179:0001]
	Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 255
	Region 0: Memory at fce05800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=512]
	Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
		Status: D3 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-


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* Re: [Hardware] 4.1 альфа на стареньком ноуте
  2008-07-02 21:55 [Hardware] 4.1 альфа на стареньком ноуте Alexei V. Mezin
@ 2008-07-03  6:37 ` Michael Shigorin
  2008-07-03 17:08   ` Alexei V. Mezin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Michael Shigorin @ 2008-07-03  6:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: hardware

On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 01:55:42AM +0400, Alexei V. Mezin wrote:
> 1. Почему-то "из коробки" не поднялся звук. Все микшеры на
> месте, все регулируется, все играется, только вот звука нет.
> lsmod и lspci -vvvnn в аттаче. После alsaconf был создан
> /etc/modprobe.d/sound и все заработало.

Это бы хорошо багой на Desktop; snapshot; hardware.

> 2. Если сеанс КДЕ некоторое время не трогать, то экран гаснет
> (и сессия лочится). Однако, пробудить экран ни мышкой, ни
> клавой невозможно.  Помогает только закрытие-открытие крышки.

Возможно, см. BIOS про суспенд по таймеру неактивности.

> 3. После открытия крышки экран секунды три горит ярко, потом
> тускнеет.  "Аппаратные" кнопки регулировки яркости не работают
> (при этом питание от адаптера). Что вообще крутить в плане
> поддержки кнопки Fn?

Что-нить вроде modprobe toshiba_acpi

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
  ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/


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* Re: [Hardware] 4.1 альфа на стареньком ноуте
  2008-07-03  6:37 ` Michael Shigorin
@ 2008-07-03 17:08   ` Alexei V. Mezin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Alexei V. Mezin @ 2008-07-03 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: hardware

Michael Shigorin пишет:

> Это бы хорошо багой на Desktop; snapshot; hardware.
Оформил.

> 
>> 2. Если сеанс КДЕ некоторое время не трогать, то экран гаснет
>> (и сессия лочится). Однако, пробудить экран ни мышкой, ни
>> клавой невозможно.  Помогает только закрытие-открытие крышки.
> 
> Возможно, см. BIOS про суспенд по таймеру неактивности.
> 
Да на том ноуте и БИОСа "нету". Зайти в него нельзя, под виндовз есть 
утилита специальная, которая может настройки менять. Но не в БИОСе дело, 
потому что xset dpms force stadnby выключает монитор, и включается он 
только через закрытие крышки. Это что-то в Линуксе неладно. :(


>> 3. После открытия крышки экран секунды три горит ярко, потом
>> тускнеет.  "Аппаратные" кнопки регулировки яркости не работают
>> (при этом питание от адаптера). Что вообще крутить в плане
>> поддержки кнопки Fn?
> 
> Что-нить вроде modprobe toshiba_acpi
> 
Модуль загрузился, но на работоспособность Fn это не сказалось никак.



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