From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: hardware@altlinux.ru From: Arioch Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:12:54 +0400 Message-ID: References: <20050913152324.1c5b80f7.bga@tepkom.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.219.219.17 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; ru-RU; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050815 Thunderbird/1.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 X-Accept-Language: ru-ru, ru In-Reply-To: <20050913152324.1c5b80f7.bga@tepkom.ru> Sender: news Cc: talk-room@altlinux.ru Subject: [Hardware] ?FS on USB-flash X-BeenThere: hardware@altlinux.ru X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: hardware@altlinux.ru List-Id: ALT Linux hardware support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:15:35 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: AS: =DC=D4=CF =D4=C5=CD=C1 =D7=D2=CF=C4=C5 =CB =D3=CF=C6=D4=D5 =C2=CC=C9=D6= =C5, =DE=C5=CD =CB =D6=C5=CC=C5=DA=D5? =C4=C1=D7=C1=CA=D4=C5 =D7 talk-roo= m@ ? 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