* [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1
@ 2009-02-19 17:52 Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-19 18:02 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-19 17:52 [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 Dmitry V. Levin @ 2009-02-19 18:02 ` Andrey Rahmatullin 2009-02-19 18:10 ` [devel] Supybot-* Dmitry V. Levin 2009-02-21 22:16 ` [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 Ivan Fedorov 2009-02-19 18:03 ` Valery V. Inozemtsev ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 2 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-19 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Supybot-* 2009-02-19 18:02 ` Andrey Rahmatullin @ 2009-02-19 18:10 ` Dmitry V. Levin 2009-02-21 22:16 ` [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 Ivan Fedorov 1 sibling, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-19 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-19 18:02 ` Andrey Rahmatullin 2009-02-19 18:10 ` [devel] Supybot-* Dmitry V. Levin @ 2009-02-21 22:16 ` Ivan Fedorov 1 sibling, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-21 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-19 17:52 [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 Dmitry V. Levin 2009-02-19 18:02 ` Andrey Rahmatullin @ 2009-02-19 18:03 ` Valery V. Inozemtsev 2009-02-20 19:30 ` Vitaly Lipatov 2009-02-19 18:47 ` Valery V. Inozemtsev ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-19 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-19 18:03 ` Valery V. Inozemtsev @ 2009-02-20 19:30 ` Vitaly Lipatov 0 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-19 17:52 [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 Dmitry V. Levin 2009-02-19 18:02 ` Andrey Rahmatullin 2009-02-19 18:03 ` Valery V. Inozemtsev @ 2009-02-19 18:47 ` Valery V. Inozemtsev 2009-02-19 18:54 ` Dmitry V. Levin 2009-02-20 5:10 ` Eugene Prokopiev 2009-02-20 5:47 ` Alexey Tourbin 4 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-19 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-19 18:47 ` Valery V. Inozemtsev @ 2009-02-19 18:54 ` Dmitry V. Levin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-19 18:54 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-19 17:52 [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 Dmitry V. Levin ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2009-02-19 18:47 ` Valery V. Inozemtsev @ 2009-02-20 5:10 ` Eugene Prokopiev 2009-02-20 5:47 ` Alexey Tourbin 4 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 5:10 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-19 17:52 [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 Dmitry V. Levin ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2009-02-20 5:10 ` Eugene Prokopiev @ 2009-02-20 5:47 ` Alexey Tourbin 2009-02-20 11:44 ` Alexey I. Froloff 4 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 5:47 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 5:47 ` Alexey Tourbin @ 2009-02-20 11:44 ` Alexey I. Froloff 2009-02-20 11:45 ` Mikhail Gusarov ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 11:44 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 11:44 ` Alexey I. Froloff @ 2009-02-20 11:45 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-20 19:40 ` Vitaly Lipatov 2009-02-22 16:32 ` Alexey Tourbin 2 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 11:44 ` Alexey I. Froloff 2009-02-20 11:45 ` Mikhail Gusarov @ 2009-02-20 19:40 ` Vitaly Lipatov 2009-02-20 20:03 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-22 16:32 ` Alexey Tourbin 2 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 19:40 ` Vitaly Lipatov @ 2009-02-20 20:03 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-20 20:44 ` Vitaly Lipatov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 20:03 ` Mikhail Gusarov @ 2009-02-20 20:44 ` Vitaly Lipatov 2009-02-20 20:46 ` Mikhail Gusarov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 20:44 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 20:44 ` Vitaly Lipatov @ 2009-02-20 20:46 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-20 21:06 ` Vitaly Lipatov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 20:46 ` Mikhail Gusarov @ 2009-02-20 21:06 ` Vitaly Lipatov 2009-02-20 21:12 ` Dmitry V. Levin ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 21:06 ` Vitaly Lipatov @ 2009-02-20 21:12 ` Dmitry V. Levin 2009-02-20 21:21 ` Gennady Kovalev 2009-02-21 22:18 ` Ivan Fedorov 2 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 21:12 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 21:06 ` Vitaly Lipatov 2009-02-20 21:12 ` Dmitry V. Levin @ 2009-02-20 21:21 ` Gennady Kovalev 2009-02-21 22:18 ` Ivan Fedorov 2 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-20 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 21:06 ` Vitaly Lipatov 2009-02-20 21:12 ` Dmitry V. Levin 2009-02-20 21:21 ` Gennady Kovalev @ 2009-02-21 22:18 ` Ivan Fedorov 2009-02-22 5:33 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-21 22:18 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-21 22:18 ` Ivan Fedorov @ 2009-02-22 5:33 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-22 10:40 ` Ivan Fedorov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-22 5:33 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 5:33 ` Mikhail Gusarov @ 2009-02-22 10:40 ` Ivan Fedorov 2009-02-22 10:54 ` Mikhail Gusarov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-22 10:40 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 10:40 ` Ivan Fedorov @ 2009-02-22 10:54 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-22 15:23 ` Ivan Fedorov 2009-02-22 15:48 ` Igor Vlasenko 0 siblings, 2 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-22 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 10:54 ` Mikhail Gusarov @ 2009-02-22 15:23 ` Ivan Fedorov 2009-02-22 15:25 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-22 15:41 ` Alexey Tourbin 2009-02-22 15:48 ` Igor Vlasenko 1 sibling, 2 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-22 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 15:23 ` Ivan Fedorov @ 2009-02-22 15:25 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-23 14:20 ` Eugene Prokopiev 2009-02-22 15:41 ` Alexey Tourbin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-22 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 15:25 ` Mikhail Gusarov @ 2009-02-23 14:20 ` Eugene Prokopiev 0 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-23 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 15:23 ` Ivan Fedorov 2009-02-22 15:25 ` Mikhail Gusarov @ 2009-02-22 15:41 ` Alexey Tourbin 2009-02-23 10:01 ` Ivan Fedorov 1 sibling, 1 reply; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-22 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 15:41 ` Alexey Tourbin @ 2009-02-23 10:01 ` Ivan Fedorov 0 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-23 10:01 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 10:54 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-22 15:23 ` Ivan Fedorov @ 2009-02-22 15:48 ` Igor Vlasenko 2009-02-22 15:55 ` Led 2009-02-23 10:10 ` Mikhail Gusarov 1 sibling, 2 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: @ 2009-02-22 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 15:48 ` Igor Vlasenko @ 2009-02-22 15:55 ` Led 2009-02-23 10:10 ` Mikhail Gusarov 1 sibling, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: Led @ 2009-02-22 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ALT Linux Team development discussions On Sunday, 22 February 2009 17:48:36 Igor Vlasenko wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 04:54:02PM +0600, Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > > Конечно. Вопрос скорее в терминах: > > > > 1) считать ли такие плагины модулями с точки зрения полиси? Или более > > общо: является ли определение модуля в полиси формальным или по смыслу? > > > > 2) позволить ли остаться таким плагинам в стаднартных питоновых путях? > > Хорошие вопросы. > Действительно, зачем ломать? > > IMHO, в policy of policy надо добавить пункт, > что запрещается делать policy enforcement > без существенной на то причины. > > Под существенной причиной нужно понимать > 1) возможное уменьшение функциональности/неработоспособность данного пакета > 2) возможное уменьшение функциональности/неработоспособность других > пакетов или DE > 3) неудобства в работе других пакетов > 4) неудобства при сборке других пакетов > > Т.е. запрещается делать policy enforcement > по личным вкусовым ощущениям. > > В конкретном случае не вижу оснований 1-4) > для policy enforcement. > А на вкус и на цвет товарища нет. Т.е. вы предлагаете в "policy of policy" добавить пункт о своих "вкусовых препочтениях"? -- Led ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-22 15:48 ` Igor Vlasenko 2009-02-22 15:55 ` Led @ 2009-02-23 10:10 ` Mikhail Gusarov 1 sibling, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: Mikhail Gusarov @ 2009-02-23 10:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ALT Linux Team development discussions [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2406 bytes --] Twas brillig at 17:48:36 22.02.2009 UTC+02 when vlasenko@imath.kiev.ua did gyre and gimble: IV> IMHO, в policy of policy надо добавить пункт, что запрещается IV> делать policy enforcement без существенной на то причины. Ты упускаешь, что существует несколько видов policy, которые не имеет смысла смешивать: 1) Полиси технологическо-интерфейсное. Пример: ".desktop-файлы кладутся в $такой-тоdir, и должны соответствовать вон тому спеку". Назначение: получить функциональность на уровне дистрибутива, отсутствующую на уровне каждого отдельного компонентu. 2) Полиси упорядочивающее. Пример: "пакеты питон-модулей [определение питон-модуля] должны зваться python-module-<имя модуля>" Назначение: ликвидировать разнобой, выбрав из нескольких равнозначных вариантов один. 3) Наверняка есть какие-то ещё, не задумывался. По своей природе упорядочивающие policy НЕ добавляют и НЕ уменьшают функциональность, они лишь закрепляют один из вариантов. Такие полиси нужны для уменьшения визуальной "рыхлости" репозитория и уменьшения его WTF count (хотя это и неформализуемые понятия), но крайне сложны в принятии уже в процессе работы над проектом. В идеальном случае такие полиси принимаются до старта проекта, и присоединяющиеся к проекту принимают их как данность. Компромиссный вариант - BDFL, имеющий моральное право принятия таких полисей. В худшем варианте - приходится бодаться. -- [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 196 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
* Re: [devel] Q: python policy enforcement part 1 2009-02-20 11:44 ` Alexey I. Froloff 2009-02-20 11:45 ` Mikhail Gusarov 2009-02-20 19:40 ` Vitaly Lipatov @ 2009-02-22 16:32 ` Alexey Tourbin 2 siblings, 0 replies; 32+ messages in thread From: Alexey Tourbin @ 2009-02-22 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ALT Devel discussion list [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1062 bytes --] On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 02:44:03PM +0300, Alexey I. Froloff wrote: > * Alexey Tourbin <at@> [090220 08:52]: > > Модули общего назначения должны начинаться с python-module, а модули > > специфического назначения, написанные на питоне, могут иметь префикс > > специфического назначения. > Может тогда не надо эти специфические модули класть в общие > каталоги? Модули специфического назначения не обязаны выискивать себе особенное место по солнцем. Достаточно лишь, чтобы по самому названию их нельзя было спутать с чем-то наиболее общим или типичным. Например, пакет хешер кладёт файл /usr/bin/hsh-sh-functions и др. в каталог /usr/bin. Требованием является не то, чтобы хешер не клал подобные файлы в /usr/bin; а требованием является то, чтобы, во всяком случае, нельзя было обмануться и принять эти файлы за что-нибудь другое. Для этого используется наименование 'hsh-sh-*-functions'. Аналогично, питоновские модули специфического назначения не обязаны искать себе нестандартный каталог, но обязаны использовать специфический префикс. [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 32+ messages in thread
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