From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on sa.local.altlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=altlinux.org; s=dkim; h=Subject:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=JECHGRrXwuvn6CPwEVpMDP0j0SrQRFx8UE9wVPMpsIY=; b=Zx25RPGBjUinfMjwpDxP/rp26f Qtsqx1MWv0s0kW49gMCHCaBjSUVHMCgo3RXrB/qZU3oSSHdp85OFZvg9bPYGaxusof9WOmjZXqe6a +CKE/IX5pXGgB6QisU4D10Odq5Aq/lgNwfxKQal+FYBhYLOISodWcJiAJLdXz4TQFG8rPWw5IwYqI xV5kppPfwBIqLdfXwQGMmBWO5tOONgZSMjGnLHmdnqMfOYD/jj1d1EIgLFrdMFsV7o0ue5RYBmK0t K6Xo0k1NHQ7pBb7Lvs0OXpPGteO5zE1vT88VP4NLVNSY/M4iaoHZhjYfjAnSkwYZmKlTyBjLpjZmp yW3eV7fw==; Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2025 21:19:16 +0300 From: Arseny Maslennikov To: ALT Linux Team development discussions Message-ID: References: <6823795.DvuYhMxLoT@ztation.smnr> <875f6d0f-6212-46f4-90e7-1b8947c0fe80@altlinux.org> <82b455b59a265c91b39d216c53b52fea3932f4c5.camel@altlinux.org> <1dfd2fa2-a858-45b8-87d2-9e848012bff4@altlinux.org> <20250620204744.681933c8@google-analytics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gjM+zkG56o8LMamy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: url=http://grep.cs.msu.ru/~ar/pgp-key.asc X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 37.204.126.93 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: arseny@altlinux.org X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.cs.msu.ru); Unknown failure Cc: Semen Fomchenkov Subject: Re: [devel] =?utf-8?b?ZmlyZXdhbGwg0LTQu9GPINC/0YDQuNC70L7QttC10L0=?= =?utf-8?b?0LjQuSAod2FzOiAgemVkIGlzIGFsaXZlLCBiYWJ5LCBmb3Igbm93KQ==?= X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Id: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:19:23 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --gjM+zkG56o8LMamy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 30, 2025 at 09:16:00PM +0300, Arseny Maslennikov wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 08:47:44PM +0300, Denis Medvedev wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 20:04:09 +0300 > > Semen Fomchenkov wrote: > >=20 > > >=20 > > > 20.06.2025 19:56, Andrey Limachko =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > > > > =D0=9E=D0=B1=D1=80=D0=B0=D1=89=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5 =D0=B2 =D1= =81=D0=B5=D1=82=D1=8C =D0=B4=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B6=D0=BD=D0=BE =D0=B1=D1=8B=D1= =82=D1=8C =D0=BE=D1=81=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BD=D1=8B=D0=BC =D0= =B4=D0=BB=D1=8F =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0= =B5=D0=BB=D1=8F. =D0=9A > > > > =D0=BF=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=80=D1=83, =D0=B2=D0=B8=D0=B4=D0= =B6=D0=B5=D1=82 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=B3=D0=BE=D0=B4=D1=8B Gnome =D0=BD=D0=B8 =D0= =BA=D0=BE=D0=B3=D0=BE =D0=BD=D0=B8 =D0=BE =D1=87=D1=91=D0=BC =D0=BD=D0=B5 = =D1=81=D0=BF=D1=80=D0=B0=D1=88=D0=B8=D0=B2=D0=B0=D0=B5=D1=82. > > > =D0=9E =D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BC =D0=B2=D0=B8=D0=B4=D0=B6=D0=B5= =D1=82=D0=B5 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=B3=D0=BE=D0=B4=D1=8B GNOME =D0=B2=D1=8B =D0=B3= =D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B5? 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