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=D0=92 Thu, 23 Dec 2021 07:37:03 +0300
"Alexey V. Vissarionov" <gremlin@altlinux.org> =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=
=82:

> On 2021-12-22 18:30:01 +0300, Anton Farygin wrote:
>=20
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=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BC.
>=20
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=B5=D1=80=D1=88=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=BD=D0=BE =D1=82=D0=BE=D1=87=D0=BD=D0=BE =D0=
=BD=D0=B0 =D1=80=D1=83=D1=81=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BC.
>=20
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=D1=86=D0=B8=D1=8E =D0=BE =D0=BC=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=BF=D1=80=D0=B8=D1=8F=
=D1=82=D0=B8=D0=B8 =D1=86=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=B9 =D0=B0=D1=83=
=D0=B4=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=B8?
>=20
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=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=8F =D0=B0=D1=83=D0=B4=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=D0=B8=D1=8F =
=D0=B8 =D1=87=D0=B5=D0=B3=D0=BE =D0=BC=D1=8B =D0=BE=D1=82 =D0=BD=D0=B5=D0=
=B5 =D0=B6=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BC?
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> =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D1=81=D0=B8=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B9=
 (=D0=B0 =D0=B2 =D0=B4=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=BD=D0=B5=D0=B9=D1=88=D0=B5=D0=
=BC, =D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=BD=D0=BE, =D0=B8 =D0=BF=D1=80=
=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=BE=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B8=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=82=D1=8C=D1=81=D1=8F =
=D0=BA =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BC) -
> =D1=81=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B5=D1=80=D1=88=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=BD=D0=BE =D0=B4=D1=80=
=D1=83=D0=B3=D0=BE=D0=B5. =D0=98 =D0=B2 =D0=B7=D0=B0=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=
=B8=D0=BC=D0=BE=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B8 =D0=BE=D1=82 =D1=8D=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B3=D0=
=BE =D0=BD=D1=83=D0=B6=D0=BD=D0=BE =D0=B2=D1=8B=D0=B1=D0=B8=D1=80=D0=B0=D1=
=82=D1=8C, =D0=B3=D0=B4=D0=B5 =D0=B8
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=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C.
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=B0=D0=B4=D0=BE =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C, =D1=87=D1=
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=BB=D0=B8=D1=87=D0=B5=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B0
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=8C =D0=BD=D0=B5 =D0=B4=D0=BB=D1=8F
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=D1=8B =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BD=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BD=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=BE=
=D0=B2, =D0=B0 =D0=B4=D0=BB=D1=8F
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=D0=B7=D0=B0 =D1=81=D0=B8=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BC=D0=B0, =D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=BA=
 =D1=81 =D0=BD=D0=B5=D0=B9
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=BE=D0=BD=D1=8B =D0=BC=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=BD=D0=BE
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=D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BC.
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=BB=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5 =D0=B2 =D1=80=D1=8F=D0=B4=D1=8B =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=
=B9=D0=BD=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BD=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=BD=D1=83=D0=
=B6=D0=BD=D0=BE =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C.
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=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA.
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