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From: "Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>
To: ALT Linux Team development discussions <devel@lists.altlinux.org>
Subject: Re: [devel] non-strict dependency in apache2
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:53:37 +0400
Message-ID: <20130125085322.GA19811@altlinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5101D666.6050700@solin.spb.ru>

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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 04:48:38AM +0400, Aleksey Avdeev wrote:
> 25.01.2013 03:37, Dmitry V. Levin пишет:
> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 03:19:07AM +0400, Aleksey Avdeev wrote:
> > [...]
> >>>> error: apache2: non-strict dependency on apache2-cgi-bin
> >>>> error: apache2: non-strict dependency on apache2-html
> >>>> error: apache2: non-strict dependency on apache2-icons
> >>>>
> >>>>   Вызвано зависимостями:
> >>>>
> >>>> Requires: webserver-cgi-bin
> >>>> Requires: webserver-html
> >>>> Requires: webserver-icons
> >>>>
> >>>>   Данные зависимости предоставляют не только пакеты
> >>>> apache2-{cgi-bin,html,icons}, но и apache-{cgi-bin,html,icons}. И пакету
> >>>> apache2 _действительно_ всё равно, какие именно пакеты данные
> >>>> зависимости реализуют.
> >>>
> >>> Нам действительно нужно много разных вариантов apache*-{cgi-bin,html,icons}?
> >>> От этого действительно может быть какая-то польза?  Или все это
> >>> разнообразие упаковывается просто потому, что это возможно?
> >>
> >>   Действительно нужно: у нас сейчас содержимое
> >> /var/www/{html,cgi-bin,icons} представлено в двух, конфликтующих между
> >> собой, вариантах: "от apache" и "от apache2" (см.
> >> <http://www.altlinux.org/WebSubsystem>). И при этом есть запросы вида
> >> (см. <https://bugzilla.altlinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16353>, как пример
> >> дискуссии):
> >>
> >> 1. "Хочу иметь апстримное содержимое /var/www/ от apache2, если я
> >> apache2 ставлю." -- решается пакетом apache2-full, вытягивает
> >> apache2-{cgi-bin,html,icons}.
> >>
> >> 2. "Хочу иметь апстримное содержимое /var/www/ от apache, если я apache
> >> ставлю." -- решается пакетом apache-full, вытягивает
> >> apache-{cgi-bin,html,icons}.
> >>
> >> 3. "Нужно хоть что-то в /var/www/, если я ставлю apache{,2}." --
> >> решается apache{,2}, требующими webserver-{cgi-bin,html,icons} (и
> >> вытягиваущими apache2-{cgi-bin,html,icons} по факту).
> >>
> >> 4. "Нужен пустой /var/www/, если я ставлю apache{,2}." -- решается
> >> apache{,2}-base.
> > 
> > Сисадмин заполняет /var/www/ тем, чем считает нужным - это совершенно
> > нормально.  Но ведь это еще не повод паковать все, что в принципе можно
> > было бы положить в /var/www/, в Сизиф!  Неужели только мне очевидно,
> > что для Сизифа было бы более чем достаточно одного варианта заполнения
> > /var/www/ cgi-bin'ами, html'ами и icons'ами?  Это уже не гибкость, а
> > изменение агрегатного состояния получается.
> 
>   Моё личное мнение -- Сизифа (и дистрибутивов) нужно сделать наше
> фирменное наполнение /var/www/ и использовать его для всех web серверов.
> Но далеко не все его поддерживают: претензии вида "а почему при
> установке apache у меня ставятся пакеты от apache2" в наших рассылка
> встречаются (по моему даже в 2012 что-то подобное было, про 2011 и 2010
> молчу -- чем дальше назад тем претензия более частая). (Сейчас
> стандартный ответ -- ставьте вариант apache{,2}-full, если для вас это
> критично.) Т. е. есть люди, для которых вид умолчальной страницы кретичен...
> 
>   В данном случаи мне проще создать схему, в рамках которой пользователь
> сможет поставить именно ту умолчальную страницу которую он хочет, чем
> бодаться с каждым, кому нужна именно родная страница устанавливаемого
> apache{,2}. (Благо никаких особых проблем поддержка данной схемы не
> доставляет.)

Я понял, говорить не имеет смысла, потому что слова просто уходят в песок.
OK, тогда rpmbuild будет автоматически делать примерно следующее:

adding strict dependency to apache2 on apache2-cgi-bin
adding strict dependency to apache2 on apache2-html
adding strict dependency to apache2 on apache2-icons
adding strict dependency to apache2-base on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-configs-A1PROXIED on apache2-base
adding strict dependency to apache2-httpd-worker on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-httpd-prefork on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-httpd-event on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-httpd-itk on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-httpd-peruser on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-manual on apache2-base
adding strict dependency to apache2-cgi-bin-test-cgi on apache2-datadirs
adding strict dependency to apache2-cgi-bin-printenv on apache2-datadirs
adding strict dependency to apache2-mod_ssl on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-mod_ldap on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-mod_disk_cache on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-htcacheclean on apache2-mod_disk_cache
adding strict dependency to apache2-suexec on apache2-common
adding strict dependency to apache2-compat on apache2-base
adding strict dependency to apache2-mod_ssl-compat on apache2-common
warning: apache2-base: non-strict dependency on apache2-httpd-worker
warning: apache2-base: non-strict dependency on apache2-httpd-prefork
warning: apache2-base: non-strict dependency on apache2-httpd-event
warning: apache2-base: non-strict dependency on apache2-httpd-itk
warning: apache2-base: non-strict dependency on apache2-httpd-peruser
removing 1 extra deps from apache2 due to dependency on apache2-cgi-bin
removing 1 extra deps from apache2 due to dependency on apache2-html
removing 1 extra deps from apache2 due to dependency on apache2-icons
removing 5 extra deps from apache2-base due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-configs-A1PROXIED due to dependency on apache2-base
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-manual due to dependency on apache2-base
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-compat due to dependency on apache2-base
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-httpd-worker due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-httpd-prefork due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-httpd-event due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-httpd-itk due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-httpd-peruser due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 4 extra deps from apache2-mod_ssl due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-mod_ldap due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-mod_disk_cache due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 4 extra deps from apache2-suexec due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-mod_ssl-compat due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-cgi-bin-test-cgi due to dependency on apache2-datadirs
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-cgi-bin-printenv due to dependency on apache2-datadirs
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-htcacheclean due to dependency on apache2-mod_disk_cache
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-configs-A1PROXIED due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-manual due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-compat due to dependency on apache2-common
removing 13 extra deps from apache2-base due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-devel due to repentancy on apache2-base
removing 1 extra deps from apache2-manual due to repentancy on apache2-base
removing 7 extra deps from apache2-httpd-worker due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 7 extra deps from apache2-httpd-prefork due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 7 extra deps from apache2-httpd-event due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 7 extra deps from apache2-httpd-itk due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 7 extra deps from apache2-httpd-peruser due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 2 extra deps from apache2-devel due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 5 extra deps from apache2-mod_ssl due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 4 extra deps from apache2-mod_ldap due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 5 extra deps from apache2-mod_disk_cache due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 9 extra deps from apache2-htcacheclean due to repentancy on apache2-common
removing 4 extra deps from apache2-suexec due to repentancy on apache2-common


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  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-25  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-03 16:40 [devel] samba Led
2013-01-03 22:36 ` Alexey Shabalin
2013-01-03 22:45   ` Led
2013-01-04  9:55     ` Alexey Shabalin
2013-01-23 20:14       ` [devel] non-strict dependency warnings Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-23 21:05         ` Igor Vlasenko
2013-01-24  6:44           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 10:47             ` Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 11:25               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 17:58                 ` [devel] non-strict dependency in apache2 (was: non-strict dependency warnings) Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 19:15                   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 23:19                     ` [devel] non-strict dependency in apache2 Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 23:37                       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-25  0:48                         ` Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-25  8:53                           ` Dmitry V. Levin [this message]
2013-01-25 10:11                             ` Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-26  9:22               ` [devel] %_allowed_nonstrict_interdeps (was: non-strict dependency warnings) Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24  6:46             ` [devel] non-strict dependency warnings Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 11:21                 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 16:00                     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 16:22                       ` Led
2013-01-24 22:16                         ` [devel] %EVR macro Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 22:37                           ` Led
2013-01-24 23:21                             ` Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 12:07             ` [devel] non-strict dependency warnings Igor Vlasenko
2013-01-24  6:53           ` [devel] dependency needs Epoch warnings Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24  7:09             ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2013-01-24  7:16               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24  7:24                 ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2013-01-24 10:25             ` Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 11:31               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 12:21                 ` Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 16:52                   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 21:44                     ` [devel] Зависимости между apache2-httpd-* и apache2-{mod_*,common} (was: dependency needs Epoch warnings) Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 21:47                       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 22:26                         ` [devel] Зависимости между apache2-httpd-* и apache2-{mod_*,common} Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 21:53                       ` [devel] Зависимости между apache2-httpd-* и apache2-{mod_*,common} (was: dependency needs Epoch warnings) Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 22:31                         ` [devel] Зависимости между apache2-httpd-* и apache2-{mod_*,common} Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 12:15             ` [devel] dependency needs Epoch warnings Igor Vlasenko
2013-01-23 22:29         ` [devel] non-strict dependency warnings Led
2013-01-23 22:37           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-23 22:43             ` Led
2013-01-24 11:57         ` [devel] Рано поднимать до error (was: non-strict dependency warnings) Sergey V Turchin
2013-01-24 12:23           ` [devel] Рано поднимать до error Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-24 12:31           ` [devel] non-strict dependency warnings Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 12:55             ` Sergey V Turchin
2013-01-24 14:49               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-24 14:59                 ` Sergey V Turchin
2013-01-26  8:49           ` [devel] Рано поднимать до error REAL
2013-01-26 10:39             ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-26 17:36               ` Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-26 19:07                 ` Sergey Vlasov
2013-01-26 20:08                   ` [devel] non-strict deps Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-26 20:39                     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-26 23:31                     ` Igor Zubkov
2013-01-26 23:56                       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-27  0:25                         ` Led
2013-01-27  0:37                           ` [devel] gear-rules Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-27  0:56                             ` Led
2013-01-27  1:01                               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-27  1:09                                 ` Led
2013-01-30  0:50                         ` [devel] non-strict deps Igor Zubkov
2013-01-30  0:55                           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-26 20:38                   ` [devel] Рано поднимать до error Aleksey Avdeev
2013-01-27  7:00                     ` Sergey Vlasov
2013-01-04  1:58 ` [devel] samba REAL
2013-01-04 11:06   ` [devel] llvm Dmitry V. Levin
2013-01-04 15:32     ` REAL
2013-01-04 15:24       ` Valery V. Inozemtsev
2013-01-05  5:13         ` REAL
2013-01-05  9:43           ` Dmitry V. Levin

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