From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:32:13 +0400 From: "Dmitry V. Levin" To: ALT Devel discussion list Message-ID: <20120122213213.GA6107@altlinux.org> Mail-Followup-To: ALT Devel discussion list References: <20111208193130.GA13872@altlinux.org> <20111209120951.GA22402@altlinux.org> <4EE209B9.80606@altlinux.ru> <20111209131721.GB23813@altlinux.org> <20120120234911.GB15480@altlinux.org> <4F1BE634.3060604@altlinux.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F1BE634.3060604@altlinux.ru> X-fingerprint: FE4C 93AB E19A 2E4C CB5D 3E4E 7CAB E6AC 9E35 361E Subject: Re: [devel] systemd X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Id: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:32:14 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 02:34:28PM +0400, Alexey Gladkov wrote: > 21.01.2012 03:49, Dmitry V. Levin wrote: > >>> =E1 =CD=CF=D6=C5=D4 =C2=D9=D4=D8 =D5=D6=C5 =D0=CF=D2=C1 =C7=CC=CF=C2= =C1=CC=D8=CE=CF =D0=C5=D2=C5=C5=C8=C1=D4=D8 =CE=C1 systemd ? > >> > >> =E1=D2=C7=D5=CD=C5=CE=D4=C9=D2=D5=CA! :) > >=20 > > =F6=C5=CC=C1=C0=DD=C9=C5 =D7=D9=D3=CB=C1=DA=C1=CC=C9=D3=D8, =CE=C1=D3= =D4=D2=CF=C5=CE=C9=D1 =D7 =CF=C2=DD=C5=D3=D4=D7=C5 =D7=D0=CF=CC=CE=C5 =CF= =DE=C5=D7=C9=C4=CE=D9. > >=20 > > =FE=D4=CF =CB=C1=D3=C1=C5=D4=D3=D1 =CD=CF=C5=CA =CC=C9=DE=CE=CF=CA =D4= =CF=DE=CB=C9 =DA=D2=C5=CE=C9=D1, =D4=CF =CD=CE=C5 =D3 =D2=C1=DA=D2=C1=C2=CF= =D4=DE=C9=CB=C1=CD=C9 systemd, > > =C1 =C9=CD=C5=CE=CE=CF, =D3 =C9=C8, =D0=CF =D7=D9=D2=C1=D6=C5=CE=C9=C0 = Al Viro, "the embrace-and-extend games > > they are playing", =CE=C5 =D0=CF =D0=D5=D4=C9. > >=20 > > =EB=C1=CB =D3=CB=C1=DA=C1=CC =D3=C5=C7=CF=C4=CE=D1 Kay Sievers =D0=D2= =CF systemd, "I don't think you have been > > involved in defining the focus of it, and the systemd people do not > > necessary come to the same conclusion as you." > >=20 > > =EB=CF=C7=C4=C1 =CD=CE=C5 =D3=D4=C1=CE=C5=D4 =D7=D3=C5 =D2=C1=D7=CE=CF,= =CB=C1=CB=CF=CA =CB=CF=C4 =D2=C1=C2=CF=D4=C1=C5=D4 =D5 =CD=C5=CE=D1 =D7 = =D3=C9=D3=D4=C5=CD=C5, =D4=CF=C7=C4=C1 > > =CD=CF=D1 =D4=CF=DE=CB=C1 =DA=D2=C5=CE=C9=D1, =CF=DE=C5=D7=C9=C4=CE=CF,= =C9=DA=CD=C5=CE=C9=D4=D3=D1. >=20 > =E4=C1=D7=C1=CA =D4=CF=C7=C4=C1 =CF=D0=D2=C5=C4=C5=CC=C9=CD=D3=D1 =D3 =D3= =D4=C1=D4=D5=D3=CF=CD =D2=C1=DA=CE=D9=C8 init'=CF=D7 =D7 =D2=C5=D0=CF=DA=C9= =D4=CF=D2=C9=C9. =EE=C1=C4=CF =D0=CF=CE=C9=CD=C1=D4=D8, =DE=D4=CF systemd =D0=CF=DA=C9=C3=C9= =CF=CE=C9=D2=D5=C5=D4=D3=D1 =CE=C5 =CB=C1=CB =C5=DD=C5 =CF=C4=C9=CE init, = =C1 =CB=C1=CB =C5=DD=C5 =CF=C4=CE=C1 =D0=CC=C1=D4=C6=CF=D2=CD=C1. systemd =D3=C5=CA=DE= =C1=D3 =D2=C1=DA=D7=C9=D7=C1=C5=D4=D3=D1 =CB=C1=CB =C7=D2=C9=C2=D9 =D0=CF= =D3=CC=C5 =C4=CF=D6=C4=D1 ("the embrace-and-extend games"). =EB=CF=CC=C9=DE=C5=D3=D4=D7=CF =D2=C1=DA= =CE=CF=CF=C2=D2=C1=DA=CE=D9=C8 =D3=CC=D5=D6=C2 =C9 =D7=D3=D1=DE=C5=D3=CB=CF=C7=CF =C6=D5=CE=CB=C3=C9=CF=CE=C1=CC=C1 =DA=C1 =D0= =D2=C5=C4=C5=CC=C1=CD=C9 init, =CB=CF=D4=CF=D2=D9=CA =CE=C1 =C4=C1=CE=CE=D9= =CA =CD=CF=CD=C5=CE=D4 systemd =D0=D2=C5=D4=C5=CE=C4=D5=C5=D4 =D2=C5=C1=CC=C9=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=D8, = =D7=D9=DA=D9=D7=C1=C5=D4 =C9=CD=C5=CE=CE=CF =D4=C1=CB=D5=C0 =C1=D3=D3=CF=C3= =C9=C1=C3=C9=C0. > =F3=C5=CA=DE=C1=D3 =D5 =CE=C1=D3 =D0=CF=CC=D5=DE=C1=C5=D4=D3=D1 =CC=C5=C2= =C5=C4=D8-=D2=C1=CB-=DD=D5=CB=C1 ... =D4=CF =D5 =CE=C1=D3 =C2=D9=CC=C9 =D0= =CF=D7=C5=D4=D2=C9=D1 > =C4=CF=C2=C1=D7=CC=D1=D4=D8 =D7 init-=D3=CB=D2=C9=D0=D4=D9 =CE=C5=CF=C2= =C8=CF=C4=C9=CD=CF=C5 =C4=CC=D1 upstart, =D4=C5=D0=C5=D2=D8 =D2=C1=D3=D3=CF= =D7=D9=D7=C1=C0=D4=D3=D1 > =D3=C5=D2=D7=C9=D3=D9 =C4=CC=D1 systemd... =EB=CF=C7=C4=C1 =CD=CE=C5 =D7=C5=DB=C1=C0=D4 =C2=C1=C7=D5 =C4=CF=C2=C1=D7= =C9=D4=D8 =D3=C5=D2=D7=C9=D3 =C4=CC=D1 systemd =D7 =D4=CF=D4 =C9=CC=C9 =C9= =CE=CF=CA =D3=C5=D2=D7=C5=D2, =D1 =C4=CF=C2=C1=D7=CC=D1=C0. =E5=D3=CC=C9 =CB=D4=CF-=D4=CF =C8=CF=DE=C5= =D4 =D0=CF=D0=D2=CF=C2=CF=D7=C1=D4=D8 =D3=C4=C5=CC=C1=D4=D8 =DE=D4=CF-=D4= =CF =CE=C1 systemd, =D1 =D4=CF=CC=D8=CB=CF =DA=C1. --=20 ldv --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk8cgF0ACgkQfKvmrJ41Nh6+KgCfSUqDsThOg+MdYTa6sNxf01Hs dZsAniHFVA+MC0CkrWXMVG/z9Y0QxRpt =bnWb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy--