From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:58:56 +0300 From: "Dmitry V. Levin" To: ALT Linux Team development discussions Message-ID: <20091029115856.GB20317@wo.int.altlinux.org> Mail-Followup-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions References: <1256768388.8351.211.camel@dinkum-thinkum.spb.altlinux.org> <4AE966B1.5060503@altlinux.com> <20091029101423.GD3365@wo.int.altlinux.org> <200910291341.53094.serpiph@nikiet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910291341.53094.serpiph@nikiet.ru> X-fingerprint: FE4C 93AB E19A 2E4C CB5D 3E4E 7CAB E6AC 9E35 361E Subject: Re: [devel] runglish X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Id: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:58:56 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 01:41:52PM +0300, Sergei Epiphanov wrote: > =F7 =D3=CF=CF=C2=DD=C5=CE=C9=C9 =CF=D4 29 =CF=CB=D4=D1=C2=D2=D1 2009 13:1= 4:23 =C1=D7=D4=CF=D2 Dmitry V. Levin =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC: > > > =EE=C1=C9=C2=CF=CC=C5=C5 =CF=D0=D4=C9=CD=C1=CC=D8=CE=D9=CD =D1=DA=D9= =CB=CF=CD =C4=CC=D1 > > > =D2=C1=DA=D2=C1=C2=CF=D4=DE=C9=CB=C1 =D7=D3=C5=C7=C4=C1 =C2=D9=CC =C5= =D3=D4=D8 =C9 =C2=D5=C4=C5=D4 =D4=CF=D4 > > > =D1=DA=D9=CB, =CB=CF=D4=CF=D2=D9=CD =D1=D7=CC=D1=C5=D4=D3=D1 =C4=CC= =D1 =CE=C5=C7=CF =D2=CF=C4=CE=D9=CD. > >=20 > > Try to contact upstream using your native language, and you won't be > > heard. Or try to write documentation using only your native language, > > and you'll be left without most of your potential users. > >=20 > > If you want to keep your business going, you have to familiarize yourse= lf > > with English. >=20 > YOU ask upstream, not upstream asks you. And they NEVER must understand= =20 > language they don't speak or use. But you can ask them if they know other= =20 > languages in order to understand the problem or give interesting info in = less=20 > time and then use ONE language in discussion. This is pretty useless, and I've never (or almost never) seen such attempts in public mailing lists for developers. > Second, look at our native=20 > projects. They speak with each other using language most known to all in= =20 > subject. What "our native projects" are you talking about? All projects I'm involved in except Sisyphus don't speak Russian. The vast majority of free software projects doesn't speak Russian. If you want to be a good free software contributor, diff(1) is not enough, because your task is not usually limited to posting a patch, you also have to explain it and defend it. > I see you know Russian but nevertheless answer in English. You see,=20 > pepole not known with Russian will not understand the question and discus= sion=20 > at all even you will answer in English because of unkown question. You ha= ve to=20 > send them full translation of such discussion in all situations (with Eng= lish=20 > or Russian answer). Add citations here and you will get more work to mant= ain=20 > speaking for foreign people. If these people fail to understand my _primitive_ English, then they surely fail to read NEWS and ChangeLog files, they certainly cannot talk to upstre= am, and therefore don't qualify as good package maintainers. They haven't read good books and papers because these books (and especially papers) are mostly written in English, so they probably do not understand code well eno= ugh. If they want to be good package maintainers, then they have to learn this "ugly language". And if they won't learn, why should I help them? --=20 ldv --f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrpg4AACgkQfKvmrJ41Nh63kQCfVUgElHQ801PlrFJB73BFhdQf 65IAn33Wj04R0Ybo8PLn6vPb9XnyQOAT =Gsra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f2QGlHpHGjS2mn6Y--