From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:23:18 +0400 From: "Dmitry V. Levin" To: ALT Devel discussion list Message-ID: <20060823122318.GA23548@basalt.office.altlinux.org> Mail-Followup-To: ALT Devel discussion list References: <20060823105306.GA9489@grep.po.cs.msu.su> <20060823114101.GB20455@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060823114101.GB20455@localhost.localdomain> X-fingerprint: FE4C 93AB E19A 2E4C CB5D 3E4E 7CAB E6AC 9E35 361E Subject: Re: [devel] =?koi8-r?b?89TBwsnM2M7ZyiDzydrJxiBJSQ==?= X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Devel discussion list List-Id: ALT Devel discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:23:19 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 03:41:01PM +0400, Alexey Tourbin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 02:53:06PM +0400, Fr. 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