From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:23:39 +0300 From: Michael Shigorin To: ALT Devel discussion list Message-ID: <20050406072339.GJ20194@osdn.org.ua> Mail-Followup-To: ALT Devel discussion list References: <20050329143732.GM30108@osdn.org.ua> <424A42A3.4070103@altlinux.com> <20050330074308.GX30108@osdn.org.ua> <20050402181328.GC12494@solemn.turbinal.org> <20050403145019.GW30108@osdn.org.ua> <20050403160326.GI12494@solemn.turbinal.org> <20050403180236.GY30108@osdn.org.ua> <20050403202332.GL12494@solemn.turbinal.org> <20050404065412.GP30108@osdn.org.ua> <20050404185331.GO12494@solemn.turbinal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050404185331.GO12494@solemn.turbinal.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: [devel] Re: =?koi8-r?b?zdnTzMkgzyAzLjAsIGRldiBjeWNsZXMgySAiy8/N1SDe1M8g?= =?koi8-r?b?zsHEzyI=?= X-BeenThere: devel@altlinux.ru X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Devel discussion list List-Id: ALT Devel discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:23:44 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PreScriptum: > > > =F1 =DE=D4=CF-=D4=CF =C8=CF=D4=C5=CC =D3=CB=C1=DA=C1=D4=D8 =D0=D2=CF = =D3=D4=C1=C2=C9=CC=D8=CE=CF=D3=D4=D8 =D3=C9=DA=C9=C6=C1. > > =FC=D4=CF =D4=D5=D0=C9=CB. > =E4=C1. =F2=C1=D3=D3=CD=C1=D4=D2=C9=D7=C1=C0=D4=D3=D1 =D7=C1=D2=C9=C1=CE= =D4=D9 =D7=D9=C8=CF=C4=C1 =C9=DA =D4=D5=D0=C9=CB=C1. > =EE=CF =D0=CF =D3=D5=DD=C5=D3=D4=D7=D5, =C1 =CE=C5 =C8=CF=D2=CF=DB=C1=D1 = =CD=C9=CE=C1 =D0=D2=C9 =D0=CC=CF=C8=CF=CA =C9=C7=D2=C5. =F7=CF=D4, =D0=D9=D4=C1=C0=D3=D8 =CF=C2=C4=D5=CD=C1=D4=D8, =CF=C2=D2=C9=D3= =CF=D7=C1=D4=D8 =C6=D2=C5=CA=CD=D7=CF=D2=CB, =D7 =CB=CF=D4=CF=D2=CF=CD =D5= =DE=C1=D3=D4=CE=C9=CB=C9 =CD=CF=C7=CC=C9 =C2=D9 =DA=C1=CE=C9=CD=C1=D4=D8=D3=D1 =C9=CE=D4=C5=D2=C5=D3= =CE=D9=CD/=D0=CF=CC=C5=DA=CE=D9=CD =C4=CC=D1 =D3=C5=C2=D1 =C4=C5=CC=CF=CD = =D3 =CF=C2=DD=C9=CD =D7=C5=CB=D4=CF=D2=CF=CD =C9 =D2=C5=DA=D5=CC=D8=D4=C1=D4=C1=CD=C9 =D0=CF = =CD=C5=D2=C5 =C4=C5=CC=C1=CE=C9=D1. =F0=CF=CB=C1 =CE=C1=D0=CF=CD=C9=CE=C1=C5=D4 =D2=C1=DA=C7=CF=D7=CF=D2 =D3 = =DA=C5=D2=CB=C1=CC=CF=CD -- =D7 =D4=CF=CD =D0=CC=C1=CE=C5, =DE=D4=CF =CD=D9= =D3 =D4=CF=C2=CF=CA =D7=D2=D1=C4 =CC=C9 =D3=CB=C1=D6=C5=CD =CD=CE=CF=C7=CF =CE= =CF=D7=CF=C7=CF =C4=D2=D5=C7 =C4=D2=D5=C7=D5 =D0=CF =DC=D4=CF=CD=D5 =D7=CF= =D0=D2=CF=D3=D5. 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