From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:53:36 +0300 From: Vyt To: devel Message-Id: <20020328095336.7fb758b7.vyt@vzljot.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-alt-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="=.+QX.w7OhumKjo5" Subject: [devel] Fw: [Gabber] gabber2 -- or not. Sender: devel-admin@altlinux.ru Errors-To: devel-admin@altlinux.ru X-BeenThere: devel@altlinux.ru X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: devel@altlinux.ru List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --=.+QX.w7OhumKjo5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Thu__28_Mar_2002_09:53:36_+0300_0852fed8" --Multipart_Thu__28_Mar_2002_09:53:36_+0300_0852fed8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, All! Может оказаться интересным. -- Regards, Vyt mailto: vyt@vzljot.ru JID: vyt@vzljot.ru --Multipart_Thu__28_Mar_2002_09:53:36_+0300_0852fed8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: vyt Return-Path: Delivered-To: vyt@vzljot.ru Received: from pserver by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.0) for vyt@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:30:03 +0300 (MSK) Received: from usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by mail.vzljot.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C72EC774 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:24:02 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 16qMdE-0000bP-00; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:15:04 -0800 Received: from adsl-65-69-210-161.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net ([65.69.210.161] helo=lito.aspect.net) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 16qMck-0000VO-00 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:14:34 -0800 Received: from jabber.org (pcp185108pcs.swedsb01.nj.comcast.net [68.46.52.124]) by lito.aspect.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC9BCBD2 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:14:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3CA25229.4010005@jabber.org> From: Julian Missig User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gabber-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Gabber] gabber2 -- or not. Sender: gabber-discuss-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: gabber-discuss-admin@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: gabber-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion of Gabber. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:13:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:13:45 -0500 Basically, I'm not sure I see why I should bother wasting my time on gabber2. So, for now, unless someone convinces me otherwise, I'm not going to bother. The GNOME "community" has never been particularly supportive of me, and when I have even basic difficulties with something in gnome2 no one bothers to help me (gtk2 developers have always been great, though -- hp and owen rule! ;) ). I have been fighting for a long time to get status docklets to work. In fact, with gnome2 they decided that since there's no easy way to have applet-application type interaction ala gnomeicu for gnome2, that status docklets are the recommended form. However, they're still broken in gnome2, and the only people who even pay attention to me are those who constantly insist it is completely impossible to create a status docklet without breaking various protocols and having various race conditions. Gabber has a nice big TODO, and I posted a message asking for people to *at least* look at some bugs in the bug list and post comments confirming or denying the bugs. No one beyond those who were already helping me has done anything. If you ask for a feature/bug fix, all I ask is a little help in return, but I still feel alone because no one's doing it. I have very little time... with AP exams and work, the time I do give to Gabber is extremely valuable. I definitely would *like* to play around with creating a gabber2, but it would be so incredibly time-consuming and if current trends continue I would get so little help that I'm not sure it would be worth it. Thanks to those of you who *have* helped me in the past and continue to do so today. It's not your fault I'm making this decision... the problem is that none of you have much free time in which to help me either. Maybe if there were at least a way to do status docklets in gnome2 and someone from the gnome2 community started paying attention to this sort of thing I'd reconsider a little, but those who currently are paying attention are consistently insisting that status docklets aren't possible (even though KDE has them and they appear to work (?)). That said, I'll continue to put in some time for gabber1, so don't worry, bugs will still be fixed... slowly. Oh, and don't tell me I should be fixing status docklets in gnome2 myself. I don't know half the X protocol stuff involved and don't have the time. Julian -- email: julian@jabber.org jabber:julian@jabber.org _______________________________________________ Gabber-discuss mailing list Gabber-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gabber-discuss --Multipart_Thu__28_Mar_2002_09:53:36_+0300_0852fed8-- --=.+QX.w7OhumKjo5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8or31d6sY3eC5PjQRAoLWAJwOxFSTEA7d1w+Zn9vN0IOUt7u6zACffv7Q z3DC7SKWf612NyGL+WPYMfc= =Lsu9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.+QX.w7OhumKjo5--