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* [d-kernel] [dawes@XFree86.Org: Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.]
@ 2004-01-31 16:40 Anton Farygin
  2004-01-31 21:03 ` [d-kernel] " Alexey Tourbin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Anton Farygin @ 2004-01-31 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: devel-kernel

FYI.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:42:44 -0500
From: David Dawes <dawes@XFree86.Org>
To: devel@xfree86.org
Cc: forum@xfree86.org
Subject: Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:50:40AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 03:58, David Dawes wrote:
>> Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.
>> 
>> After a thorough re-examination of the XFree86(TM) license and reviewing
>> how it fits in with the Project's long-stated licensing philosophy ("You
>> can do what you like with the code except claim that you wrote it."),
>> The XFree86 Project, Inc. has made some changes to its base license.
>> This license review was prompted by a desire to ensure that XFree86 and
>> its contributors are receiving due credit for their work.  The text of
>> the modified license can be found at
>> <http://www.xfree86.org/legal/licenses.html>.
>>
>> .../...
>
>Hi David !
>
>I'm no license/legal expert, but do that mean the licence becomes GPL
>incompatible ? In that case, that basically means you are screwing up
>any effort to make a decent graphics driver model in the linux kernel.
>
>If I'm wrong on that, you can skip the rest of this email.
>
>We rely heavily on the XFree drivers as those are updated & maintained
>by the card vendors or people working for them ("nv" by Mark Vojkovich,
>"radeon" by Hui Yu).
>
>Losing the ability of porting code straight from these to the fbdev
>drivers will basically kill all my efforts to turn the kernel radeonfb
>into a decent driver as I need to be able to re-use the code ATI puts
>in the XFree version. I suppose the same will happen to linux rivafb.
>
>So right when we are considering a new & saner video driver model for
>Linux, you are doing this move which screws up by blocking us from our
>primary source of information & support from the gfx card vendors.

Ben,

On looking through the fbdev drivers in the Linux kernel source, I see
very few cases where license notices from XFree86 driver source are
included.  This means that either the license for these drivers has no
impact on the work you are talking about (making what you have written
above moot), or some authors of portions of the current Linux fbdev code
have violated the terms of the existing licenses by not including a
verbatim copy of the copyright, license notice, and disclaimer text in
relevant source code.

I would also like to echo Egbert's comments about the one-way nature of
your concerns.

David
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* [d-kernel] Re: [dawes@XFree86.Org: Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.]
  2004-01-31 16:40 [d-kernel] [dawes@XFree86.Org: Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.] Anton Farygin
@ 2004-01-31 21:03 ` Alexey Tourbin
  2004-02-01  9:01   ` Anton Farygin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Tourbin @ 2004-01-31 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: devel-kernel

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On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 07:40:24PM +0300, Anton Farygin wrote:
> From: David Dawes <dawes@XFree86.Org>
> To: devel@xfree86.org

> On looking through the fbdev drivers in the Linux kernel source, I see
> very few cases where license notices from XFree86 driver source are
> included.  This means that either the license for these drivers has no
> impact on the work you are talking about (making what you have written
> above moot), or some authors of portions of the current Linux fbdev code
> have violated the terms of the existing licenses by not including a
> verbatim copy of the copyright, license notice, and disclaimer text in
> relevant source code.

Hi, мне интересно, чем кончится эта дискуссия (и насколько несовместимы
BSD и GPL лицензии в целом).

> I would also like to echo Egbert's comments about the one-way nature of
> your concerns.

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* Re: [d-kernel] Re: [dawes@XFree86.Org: Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.]
  2004-01-31 21:03 ` [d-kernel] " Alexey Tourbin
@ 2004-02-01  9:01   ` Anton Farygin
  2004-02-01  9:41     ` Michael Shigorin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Anton Farygin @ 2004-02-01  9:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: devel-kernel

On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 12:03:01AM +0300, Alexey Tourbin wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 07:40:24PM +0300, Anton Farygin wrote:
> > From: David Dawes <dawes@XFree86.Org>
> > To: devel@xfree86.org
> 
> > On looking through the fbdev drivers in the Linux kernel source, I see
> > very few cases where license notices from XFree86 driver source are
> > included.  This means that either the license for these drivers has no
> > impact on the work you are talking about (making what you have written
> > above moot), or some authors of portions of the current Linux fbdev code
> > have violated the terms of the existing licenses by not including a
> > verbatim copy of the copyright, license notice, and disclaimer text in
> > relevant source code.
> 
> Hi, мне интересно, чем кончится эта дискуссия (и насколько несовместимы
> BSD и GPL лицензии в целом).

По моему все закончилось разборками кто, когда и откуда брал код..
оказывается, что часть кода XFree86 лежит в ядре, и наоборот - часть кода,
изначально написанного для ядра - попала в XFree86. 

По моему договорились просто в коде ядра указать первоисточник. А вот что
там с кодом XFree, который взят из ядра - пока непонятно.


Rgds,
Rider


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* Re: [d-kernel] Re: [dawes@XFree86.Org: Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.]
  2004-02-01  9:01   ` Anton Farygin
@ 2004-02-01  9:41     ` Michael Shigorin
  2004-02-01 10:02       ` Anton Farygin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Michael Shigorin @ 2004-02-01  9:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: devel-kernel

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On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 12:01:30PM +0300, Anton Farygin wrote:
> По моему договорились просто в коде ядра указать первоисточник.
> А вот что там с кодом XFree, который взят из ядра - пока
> непонятно.

Антон, можешь им откомментировать, что исключения друг для друга
они могут сделать в любом случае?

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
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* Re: [d-kernel] Re: [dawes@XFree86.Org: Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.]
  2004-02-01  9:41     ` Michael Shigorin
@ 2004-02-01 10:02       ` Anton Farygin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Anton Farygin @ 2004-02-01 10:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: devel-kernel

On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 11:41:18AM +0200, Michael Shigorin wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 12:01:30PM +0300, Anton Farygin wrote:
> > По моему договорились просто в коде ядра указать первоисточник.
> > А вот что там с кодом XFree, который взят из ядра - пока
> > непонятно.
> 
> Антон, можешь им откомментировать, что исключения друг для друга
> они могут сделать в любом случае?

Они и сами про это знают.

Rgds,
Rider


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