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* [mdk-re] mandrake-russian without... Russian
@ 2001-08-16 17:10 HB trying to survive under Linux
  2001-08-16 18:05 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 196+ messages in thread
From: HB trying to survive under Linux @ 2001-08-16 17:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mandrake-russian

<noise>
It's incredible if you can read this. It means I managed to set up *properly* both SMTP server and e-mail client under Linux. Which is just unbelievable.
</noise>

While installing Mnd-re, I chose kind of "Russian (capslock)" keyboard. It didn't work, CAPSLOCK switched between qwerty and QWERTY. Being a good boy, I read the corresponding part of the `manual' (60 pages brochure from the box with 4 CDs). It was very comprehensive and interesting, all it says on the matter is:
``keyboarddrake - Pol'zujas' etoj utilitoj, Vy smozhete ukazat' kakaja kombinatsija klavish budet pereklyuchat' jazyk na vashej klaviature.''
As you can see, it explained everything. So, I ran keyboarddrake, made sure "Russian, Capslock" is selected and pressed OK.
Is it necessary to mention it did not work either?
Finally, after several reboots I noticed (by chance!) this message during initialization:
"cannot open file ru_cplk"
Then I looked into the log file and found this:

Aug 15 20:09:18 hb scanlogd: scanlogd startup succeeded
Aug 15 20:09:18 hb loadkeys: findkeymap: No such file or directory
Aug 15 20:09:18 hb loadkeys: cannot open file ru_cplk
Aug 15 20:09:18 hb keytable: Loading keymap: ru_cplk failed
Aug 15 20:09:18 hb loadkeys: Loading /usr/lib/kbd/keymaps/include/compose.latin1.inc.gz
Aug 15 20:09:18 hb keytable: Loading compose keys: compose.latin1.inc succeeded
Aug 15 20:09:18 hb loadkeys: Loading /usr/lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/include/delete.inc.gz
Aug 15 20:09:18 hb keytable: The BackSpace key sends: ^? loading delete.inc succeeded

So, what should I do?

Yes, I could have read lots of HOWTOs and manuals, and not to have asked about it here. But don't you think it veryveryvery stupid and wrong -- reading HOWTOs just to be able to use Russian in Russian Edition Linux?

Please reply in translit or English. Thanks

-- 
HB
``All mail clients suck.  This one just sucks less.'' -me, circa 1995
``Still it sucks more than any e-mail client _I_'ve ever seen'' -hb, today



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* [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Free soft 4 win
@ 2001-08-21 17:54 Roman S
  2001-08-21 18:00 ` cornet
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 196+ messages in thread
From: Roman S @ 2001-08-21 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mandrake-russian

Цитирую Aleksey Novodvorsky <aen@logic.ru>:

> Кстати, вопрос: стоит ли выпустить CD со свободным
софтом для Win? Мне бы
> он очень
> не помешал несколько дней назад. Или случай нетипичный?

По моему, заведомо неправильному мнению, в нашей
реальности успеха сие иметь не будет.
Типичный отечественный пользователь Windows, которого
как-то интересуют какие-то программы, кроме тех, что
уже есть - пользователь самых дорогих программ.

Т.е. для того, чтоб поправить "красные глаза" на фото,
используется Adobe Photoshop.
Для набивки почти plain текста - Microsoft Word.
Для составления схемы из 2-х кружочков - в лучшем
случае - Visio, в обычном - Corel Draw.
Для 3D-чертёжика - AutoCad, 3D Studio или Maya.
Причём цен на этот софт обычный пользователь и нюхом не
слыхивал (а укорять пользователя за стремление купить
товар поядрёнее, ценою подешевле я не могу). 

Для какого-либо успеха, софт должен по всем параметрам
превзойти "коллегу" стоимостью 5000$ и ценой 70р за
диск....

Rgds!
Roman Savelyev



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2001-08-19 23:45           ` [mdk-re] " Romul
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2001-08-20 13:27             ` Dmitry V. Levin
2001-08-20 13:43             ` cornet
2001-08-20 14:13             ` Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-21 15:37               ` Re[2]: " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-20 14:27             ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] почтовый клиент Sergey S. Skulachenko
2001-08-20 15:45             ` [mdk-re] mandrake-russian without... Russian Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-20 20:02               ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Convenient mail client Henri Bourbon
2001-08-20 20:49                 ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-20 21:36                   ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-20 23:03                     ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 15:03                     ` Re[2]: " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 16:24                       ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-21 16:37                         ` Volkov Serge
2001-08-21 16:52                           ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 16:42                         ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 19:53                         ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, ÐÌÁ×ÎÏ ÐÅÒÅÈÏÄÑÝÉÊ × ÉÄÅÏÌÏÇÉÞÅÓËÉÅ ÓÐÏÒÙ Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 20:17                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологические споры Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-21 20:22                           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-21 22:45                             ` [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологическиеспоры Sergei
2001-08-21 23:52                           ` [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологические споры cornet
2001-08-22  0:14                             ` [mdk-re] [JT] ...идеологические споры Баталов Григорий
2001-08-22  7:06                             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологические споры Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-22 16:18                               ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-23  0:38                                 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Romul
2001-08-23 16:40                                   ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-23 20:12                                     ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-24 11:04                                     ` Vladimir Karpinsky
2001-08-24 19:01                                       ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-24 19:01                                       ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-24 21:08                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-25 14:27                                           ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-25 22:53                                             ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-25 23:31                                               ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-26  0:25                                               ` [mdk-re] [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Aleksandr Blohin
2001-08-26  2:14                                                 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-26 17:25                                               ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-27  0:45                                                 ` [JT] " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-27  1:11                                                   ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-27 17:01                                                   ` Romul
2001-08-27 20:57                                                   ` [mdk-re] JT: Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-27 21:29                                                     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-23  7:27                                 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-23  9:05                                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, ÐÌÁ×ÎÏ ÐÅÒÅÈÏÄÑÝÉÊ × ÉÄÅÏÌÏÇÉÞÅÓËÉÅ ÓÐÏÒÙ îÏ×ÏÍÌÉÎÓËÉÊ éÇÏÒØ
2001-08-23 11:25                                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологические споры John Profic
2001-08-23 14:28                                   ` John Profic
2001-08-24  0:25                                     ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-22  1:56                         ` [mdk-re] Convenient mail client Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-22  0:01                       ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-21 14:27                   ` Re[4]: [mdk-re] " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 14:44                     ` cornet
2001-08-21 15:02                       ` cornet
2001-08-21 15:08                       ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 15:22                         ` cornet
2001-08-21 15:34                           ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 16:00                             ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 16:06                               ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 16:21                                 ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 16:34                                   ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 17:02                                     ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 17:12                                       ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 17:45                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-21 17:52                                         ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 16:23                                 ` cornet
2001-08-21 16:37                                   ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 17:12                                     ` Volkov Serge
2001-08-21 17:34                                       ` cornet
2001-08-22  1:56                                         ` Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-21 17:51                             ` Re[2]: " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 17:58                               ` cornet
2001-08-27 23:45                                 ` [mdk-re] [JT] Netscape Messenger, The Bat & POP3 authentication Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28  1:56                                   ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 17:07                                     ` [mdk-re] " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28 17:35                                       ` cornet
2001-08-22 15:20                               ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Convenient mail client Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 22:24                             ` [mdk-re] [JT] " Sergei
2001-08-22  1:56                       ` [mdk-re] " Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-21 15:02                     ` Re[4]: " Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 17:38                       ` Re[6]: " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-22 15:18                         ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-22  9:01                     ` Re[4]: " Maxim Mitrofanov
2001-08-21 16:48                   ` Re[4]: [mdk-re] Sylpheed: "code conversion failed" & other troubles Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 16:54                     ` Alexander Kubatkin
2001-08-21 16:56                       ` Alexander Kubatkin
2001-08-21 17:19                     ` Sergey S. Skulachenko
2001-08-27 18:26                       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 18:49                         ` Баталов Григорий
2001-08-27 19:55                           ` [mdk-re] перенос цитат в mutt AT
2001-08-28  0:44                             ` [mdk-re] " Aleksandr Blohin
2001-08-28  0:50                             ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-30 10:07                               ` Michael Shigorin
2001-08-31  0:00                                 ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 16:06                           ` [mdk-re] Sylpheed: цитирование Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 18:50                         ` [mdk-re] Sylpheed: "code conversion failed" & other troubles Artem K. Jouravsky
2001-08-28 18:43                           ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 17:39                     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-27 17:37                       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 18:06                         ` cornet
2001-08-27 18:09                         ` Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-27 22:23                           ` Andrey Brindeew
2001-08-21 18:29                     ` Re[4]: " Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-27 17:40                       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-20 22:08                 ` [mdk-re] Convenient mail client AT
2001-08-22  1:56                 ` Re[2]: " Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-22  2:38                 ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-22  3:40                   ` [mdk-re] Mutt Was: " S. Budnevitch
2001-08-19 23:26         ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Во дни тягостных раздумий и мучений с Linux ты один мне поддержка и опора cornet
2001-08-21 17:54 [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Free soft 4 win Roman S
2001-08-21 18:00 ` cornet
2001-08-27 22:36   ` [mdk-re] [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] Convenient mail client Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 22:50     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-28  2:02       ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-Ï] " Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-28  9:07         ` [mdk-re] JT (Was: Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-о] Convenient mail client) Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-28 10:34           ` [mdk-re] About IT Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-28 16:26             ` JT " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-28 15:49         ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-о] Convenient mail client Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-28 15:59           ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-Ï] " Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 13:14             ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-о] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-29 14:23               ` [mdk-re] JT UI Toolkits (was: Convenient mail client) Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-29 15:02                 ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-29 15:31                   ` Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-29 15:38                     ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 23:39                     ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-30 10:01                       ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-31  1:34                         ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-30 14:45                       ` Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-31  0:28                         ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-29 14:35               ` [mdk-re] Motif, X11 and history Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-28 19:37         ` [mdk-re] Convenient mail client Henri Bourbon
2001-08-29  6:33           ` Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-29 10:55             ` [mdk-re] JT: UNIX cornerstones Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 13:48               ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-29 14:52                 ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 16:46               ` [mdk-re] " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-29 17:54                 ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 19:15                   ` Gosha
2001-08-29 22:42                     ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 19:12               ` Gosha
2001-08-29 22:40                 ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-28  9:07       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] Convenient mail client Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-28 19:39         ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 22:58     ` [mdk-re] [JT] " Andrey Brindeew
2001-08-28  1:07       ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 19:23         ` [mdk-re] " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28 19:39           ` Vyt
2001-08-29 15:26           ` Dmitry Samoyloff
2001-08-30 10:41             ` Alex Savvin
2001-08-28  7:08       ` Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-28 10:23         ` Andrey Brindeew
2001-08-28 19:15       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28 19:36         ` Andrey Brindeew
2001-08-28 19:47           ` cornet
2001-08-28 21:09             ` Gosha
2001-08-29 15:16             ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-29 15:35               ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 15:48                 ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-29 16:14                   ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 16:25                     ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-29 17:57                       ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 15:50               ` Sergey Bolshakov
2001-08-29 16:10                 ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-29 16:44                   ` Alexander Bokovoy
2001-08-29 17:15                     ` Sergey S. Skulachenko
2001-08-29 20:11                       ` Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-29 20:22                         ` Alexander Bokovoy
2001-08-29 17:00                   ` Sergey Bolshakov
2001-08-30 11:37                   ` [mdk-re] [JT] PHP-ÏÔÌÁÄÞÉË (ÂÙÌÏ: Convenient mail client) Sergei Makarov
2001-08-29 19:28               ` [mdk-re] [JT] Convenient mail client John Profic
2001-08-29 15:26             ` Dmitry Samoyloff
2001-08-29 13:34         ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28  0:23     ` [mdk-re] [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] " cornet
2001-08-28 11:14       ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2001-08-28 11:25         ` cornet
2001-08-28 11:30           ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2001-08-28 16:06         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-28 20:01       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28 20:13         ` cornet
2001-08-28  1:45     ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 21:26       ` [mdk-re] [JT] Название клавиш на клавиатуре и трёп, трёп, трёп Henri Bourbon
2001-08-29  0:27         ` [mdk-re] [JT] îÁÚ×ÁÎÉÅ ËÌÁ×ÉÛ ÎÁ ËÌÁ×ÉÁÔÕÒÅ É ÔÒ£Ð, ÔÒ£Ð, ÔңРYuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 14:26         ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Название клавиш на клавиатуре и трёп, трёп, трёп Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28  1:48     ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] Convenient mail client Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 18:36     ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-28 20:29       ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] [JT] [ëÏÎËÒÅÔÎÙÊ JT] [ïÔËÒÏ×ÅÎÎÏÅ ÓÌÏ×ÏÂÌÕÄÓÔ×Ï] " Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-28 20:50         ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] " Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-21 18:07 ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Free soft 4 win Sergey Degtyaryov
2001-08-21 18:25 ` Alexandr Zhegallo
2001-08-21 18:31 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky

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