[Comm] Re: Why no mention of GNU? [on browser start page]

[Comm] Re: Why no mention of GNU? [on browser start page]

[Michael Shigorin]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 02:47:58PM -0500, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote:
> The GNU Project and the GNU GPL are not about "[formalising]
> ideas behind open source", "transforming the open source
> movement into a coherent project", or anything else to do with
> open source.  The GNU Project and the GNU GPL existed prior to,
> and therefore independantly of, the open source movement.

No handy URLs but in a few words:

	open source != free software

That is, get the "Revolution OS" movie if the timeline and
motivations behind these two terms and ...um, development and/or
business models are unclear.

English is quite poor language regarding words, in particular
"free" is heavily overloaded with extremely different meanings --
material and moral ones are quite the contrary _here_.

In Russian, these are clearly separated; in Ukrainian,
"money-free" equivalent is more apt for monetary meaning,
and "freedom" is somewhat of a sacred (or fetish?) word.

So we have easier time explaining _proper_ meaning of
"free software" to business people than ESR had when he
moved out on that deed.

RMS warned that the meaning substitution will bite back,
and eventually it did -- MS Shared Source Initiative is
trying to exploit exactly that, and it's not alone.

In a few words, again: determine what are you after and mark 
that clearly.  "Open source" is more a marketing buzzword; 
"free software" is more an ideology.

PS 2 community: English please or cleanup extra Cc:; thread:
http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2005-June/002019.html

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Re: [Comm] Re: Why no mention of GNU?

[Mike Lykov]

В сообщении от Четверг 16 Июнь 2005 08:34 Michael Shigorin написал:

> In a few words, again: determine what are you after and mark
> that clearly.  "Open source" is more a marketing buzzword;
> "free software" is more an ideology.

И все - таки : может ли free software быть не open-source ? а если может, 
является ли такое (бесплатное закрытое software) "free" ? 

Revolution OS у меня есть, но на слух плохо воспринимается %)
вот если б титры с переводом где были..

-- 
Mike Lykov
Samara, "Vesna" parfum company, System administrator 

Re: [Comm] Re: Why no mention of GNU?

[Nick S. Grechukh]

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В сообщении от Четверг 16 Июнь 2005 06:55 Mike Lykov написал(a):
> В сообщении от Четверг 16 Июнь 2005 08:34 Michael Shigorin написал:
> > In a few words, again: determine what are you after and mark
> > that clearly.  "Open source" is more a marketing buzzword;
> > "free software" is more an ideology.
> И все - таки : может ли free software быть не open-source ? а если может,
> является ли такое (бесплатное закрытое software) "free" ?
"free" in "free software" is not about money cost at all. 
so thing known as "freeware", which really means "cost no money", has  no 
relation to "free software".

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Regards, Nick S. Grechukh
NSG1-UANIC
network administrator at many places :-)

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Re: [Comm] Re: Why no mention of GNU?

[Mike Lykov]

В сообщении от Четверг 16 Июнь 2005 15:58 Nick S. Grechukh написал:
> so thing known as "freeware", which really means "cost no money", has  no
> relation to "free software".

понятно, теперь снова видно разницу. а то было запутался.

-- 
Mike Lykov
Samara, "Vesna" parfum company, System administrator