* [Comm] Вопросы новичка
@ 2005-03-07 10:47 User
2005-03-07 10:59 ` php-coder
2005-03-09 12:54 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка
2005-03-07 10:47 [Comm] Вопросы новичка User
@ 2005-03-07 10:59 ` php-coder
2005-03-07 11:02 ` Re[2]: " php-coder
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2005-03-09 12:54 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
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* Re[2]: [Comm] Вопросы новичка
2005-03-07 10:59 ` php-coder
@ 2005-03-07 11:02 ` php-coder
2005-03-07 14:34 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-07 14:36 ` [Comm] " Ivan Fedorov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка
2005-03-07 10:59 ` php-coder
2005-03-07 11:02 ` Re[2]: " php-coder
@ 2005-03-07 14:34 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-07 18:38 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Vitaly Lipatov
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2005-03-07 14:36 ` [Comm] " Ivan Fedorov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка
2005-03-07 10:59 ` php-coder
2005-03-07 11:02 ` Re[2]: " php-coder
2005-03-07 14:34 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-07 14:36 ` Ivan Fedorov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-07 14:34 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-07 18:38 ` Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-07 18:52 ` Anatol B. Bazjukin
2005-03-07 20:10 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 9:20 ` [Comm] " some_x
2005-03-09 12:56 ` [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-07 18:38 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Vitaly Lipatov
@ 2005-03-07 18:52 ` Anatol B. Bazjukin
2005-03-07 19:37 ` Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-10 10:36 ` [Comm] backports: voting? Michael Shigorin
2005-03-07 20:10 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Vinogradov Anton
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-07 18:52 ` Anatol B. Bazjukin
@ 2005-03-07 19:37 ` Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-08 8:05 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-10 10:36 ` [Comm] backports: voting? Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-07 18:38 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-07 18:52 ` Anatol B. Bazjukin
@ 2005-03-07 20:10 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 7:27 ` Vitaly Lipatov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-07 20:10 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-08 7:27 ` Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-08 8:04 ` Vinogradov Anton
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 7:27 ` Vitaly Lipatov
@ 2005-03-08 8:04 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 8:17 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 18:06 ` Vitaly Lipatov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-07 19:37 ` Vitaly Lipatov
@ 2005-03-08 8:05 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 8:31 ` Valentin Kozlov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 8:04 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-08 8:17 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 18:06 ` Vitaly Lipatov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 8:05 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-08 8:31 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-08 8:39 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-09 13:44 ` [Comm] поддержка поддержке рознь, или о $5 " Michael Shigorin
2005-03-08 9:02 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-22 18:06 ` Andrey Konovalov aka Krapa
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 8:31 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-08 8:39 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 9:09 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-09 13:44 ` [Comm] поддержка поддержке рознь, или о $5 " Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 8:05 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 8:31 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-08 9:02 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
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2005-03-22 18:06 ` Andrey Konovalov aka Krapa
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 8:39 ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-03-08 9:09 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-08 9:36 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка
2005-03-07 14:34 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-07 18:38 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Vitaly Lipatov
@ 2005-03-08 9:20 ` some_x
2005-03-09 13:49 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
2005-03-09 12:56 ` [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 9:09 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-08 9:36 ` Alexey Rusakov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 8:17 ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 9:02 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 14:58 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-09 13:28 ` [Comm] компании vs сообщества (was: Вопросы новичка) Michael Shigorin
2005-03-09 13:22 ` [Comm] backports: ну если есть желающие... " Michael Shigorin
2005-03-09 18:02 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Andrey Rahmatullin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 8:39 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 9:09 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-09 13:49 ` [Comm] автобус backports (was: Вопросы новичка) Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-08 14:58 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 20:45 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-09 13:28 ` [Comm] компании vs сообщества (was: Вопросы новичка) Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 8:04 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 8:17 ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-03-08 18:06 ` Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-08 20:45 ` Vinogradov Anton
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 18:06 ` Vitaly Lipatov
@ 2005-03-08 20:45 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 21:06 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-09 13:19 ` [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 14:58 ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-03-08 20:45 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 21:12 ` Alexey Rusakov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 20:45 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-08 21:06 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-08 21:11 ` Alexey Rusakov
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2005-03-09 13:19 ` [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 21:06 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-08 21:11 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 23:55 ` Arioch
2005-03-09 9:31 ` Vinogradov Anton
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 20:45 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-08 21:12 ` Alexey Rusakov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 21:06 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-08 21:11 ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-03-08 23:55 ` Arioch
2005-03-09 9:31 ` Vinogradov Anton
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 21:06 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-08 21:11 ` Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 23:55 ` Arioch
@ 2005-03-09 9:31 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-09 10:25 ` Valentin Kozlov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 9:31 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-09 10:25 ` Valentin Kozlov
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка
2005-03-07 10:47 [Comm] Вопросы новичка User
2005-03-07 10:59 ` php-coder
@ 2005-03-09 12:54 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка
2005-03-07 14:34 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-07 18:38 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-08 9:20 ` [Comm] " some_x
@ 2005-03-09 12:56 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка
2005-03-08 20:45 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 21:06 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-09 13:19 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] backports: ну если есть желающие... (was: Вопросы новичка)
2005-03-08 9:02 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-09 13:22 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-09 18:02 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Andrey Rahmatullin
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* [Comm] компании vs сообщества (was: Вопросы новичка)
2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 14:58 ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-03-09 13:28 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] поддержка поддержке рознь, или о $5 (was: Вопросы новичка)
2005-03-08 8:31 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-08 8:39 ` Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-03-09 13:44 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] автобус backports (was: Вопросы новичка)
2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
@ 2005-03-09 13:49 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка
2005-03-08 9:20 ` [Comm] " some_x
@ 2005-03-09 13:49 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-10 14:42 ` some_x
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 9:02 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Alexey Rusakov
2005-03-08 13:53 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-09 13:22 ` [Comm] backports: ну если есть желающие... " Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-09 18:02 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2005-03-09 18:29 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-09 20:37 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Alexey Rusakov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 18:02 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Andrey Rahmatullin
@ 2005-03-09 18:29 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-09 21:09 ` Vitaly Lipatov
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2005-03-09 20:37 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Alexey Rusakov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 18:02 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Andrey Rahmatullin
2005-03-09 18:29 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-09 20:37 ` Alexey Rusakov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 18:29 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-09 21:09 ` Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-09 21:38 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 6:41 ` Igor Kuptsov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 21:09 ` Vitaly Lipatov
@ 2005-03-09 21:38 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 6:09 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 21:38 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-10 6:09 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2005-03-10 6:20 ` Вячеслав Диконов
2005-03-10 7:10 ` Vitaly Lipatov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 21:38 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 6:09 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
@ 2005-03-10 6:20 ` Вячеслав Диконов
2005-03-10 7:10 ` Vitaly Lipatov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 18:29 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-09 21:09 ` Vitaly Lipatov
@ 2005-03-10 6:41 ` Igor Kuptsov
2005-03-10 8:46 ` Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-10 6:59 ` [Comm] " Afanasov Dmitry
2005-03-10 10:26 ` [Comm] о версиях и проблемах (was: Вопросы новичка) Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 18:29 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-09 21:09 ` Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-10 6:41 ` Igor Kuptsov
@ 2005-03-10 6:59 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2005-03-10 11:37 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 10:26 ` [Comm] о версиях и проблемах (was: Вопросы новичка) Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-09 21:38 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 6:09 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2005-03-10 6:20 ` Вячеслав Диконов
@ 2005-03-10 7:10 ` Vitaly Lipatov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 6:41 ` Igor Kuptsov
@ 2005-03-10 8:46 ` Vitaly Lipatov
2005-03-10 9:45 ` Igor Kuptsov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 8:46 ` Vitaly Lipatov
@ 2005-03-10 9:45 ` Igor Kuptsov
2005-03-10 10:46 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] о версиях и проблемах (was: Вопросы новичка)
2005-03-09 18:29 ` Valentin Kozlov
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2005-03-10 6:59 ` [Comm] " Afanasov Dmitry
@ 2005-03-10 10:26 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] backports: voting?
2005-03-07 18:52 ` Anatol B. Bazjukin
2005-03-07 19:37 ` Vitaly Lipatov
@ 2005-03-10 10:36 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-12 13:44 ` Alexey Borovskoy
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 9:45 ` Igor Kuptsov
@ 2005-03-10 10:46 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-10 16:11 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 6:59 ` [Comm] " Afanasov Dmitry
@ 2005-03-10 11:37 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 11:51 ` [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JТ] Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JТ]
2005-03-10 11:37 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-10 11:51 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-10 12:07 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 12:01 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Genix
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 11:37 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 11:51 ` [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JТ] Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-10 12:01 ` Genix
2005-03-10 12:20 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 14:06 ` Afanasov Dmitry
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* Re: [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JТ]
2005-03-10 11:51 ` [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JТ] Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-10 12:07 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 19:57 ` Denis Klykvin
2005-03-11 8:14 ` Mike Lykov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 12:01 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Genix
@ 2005-03-10 12:20 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 12:44 ` Genix
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 12:20 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-10 12:44 ` Genix
2005-03-10 14:17 ` Re[2]: " php-coder
2005-03-10 15:21 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 14:16 ` Guest007
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 11:37 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 11:51 ` [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JТ] Michael Shigorin
2005-03-10 12:01 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Genix
@ 2005-03-10 14:06 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2005-03-10 14:20 ` Genix
2005-03-10 14:55 ` some_x
2005-03-11 4:49 ` [Comm] " Денис Гайнцев
2005-03-13 18:45 ` Denis Smirnov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 12:20 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 12:44 ` Genix
@ 2005-03-10 14:16 ` Guest007
2005-03-10 14:29 ` Afanasov Dmitry
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* Re[2]: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 12:44 ` Genix
@ 2005-03-10 14:17 ` php-coder
2005-03-10 15:21 ` Valentin Kozlov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 14:06 ` Afanasov Dmitry
@ 2005-03-10 14:20 ` Genix
2005-03-10 14:35 ` Afanasov Dmitry
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 12:20 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 12:44 ` Genix
2005-03-10 14:16 ` Guest007
@ 2005-03-10 14:29 ` Afanasov Dmitry
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 14:20 ` Genix
@ 2005-03-10 14:35 ` Afanasov Dmitry
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* Re[2]: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 14:29 ` Afanasov Dmitry
@ 2005-03-10 14:42 ` Andrei Popov
2005-03-10 15:07 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2005-03-10 17:12 ` Re[2]: " Alexei V. Mezin
2005-03-13 18:52 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Denis Smirnov
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* Re: [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка
2005-03-09 13:49 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-10 14:42 ` some_x
2005-03-10 18:23 ` [Comm] [JT] +1 (was: Вопросы новичка) Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 14:06 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2005-03-10 14:20 ` Genix
@ 2005-03-10 14:55 ` some_x
2005-03-10 15:08 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2005-03-10 18:30 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 14:42 ` Re[2]: " Andrei Popov
@ 2005-03-10 15:07 ` Afanasov Dmitry
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 14:55 ` some_x
@ 2005-03-10 15:08 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2005-03-10 18:30 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 12:44 ` Genix
2005-03-10 14:17 ` Re[2]: " php-coder
@ 2005-03-10 15:21 ` Valentin Kozlov
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* Re: [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 10:46 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-10 16:11 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
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* Re[2]: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 14:29 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2005-03-10 14:42 ` Re[2]: " Andrei Popov
@ 2005-03-10 17:12 ` Alexei V. Mezin
2005-03-10 18:28 ` [Comm] Adm... ну или хотя бы в oo-discuss@ :) (was: Вопросы новичка) Michael Shigorin
2005-03-15 19:09 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] "В.А."
2005-03-13 18:52 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Denis Smirnov
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 12:20 ` Valentin Kozlov
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2005-03-10 14:29 ` Afanasov Dmitry
@ 2005-03-10 18:14 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-10 18:42 ` [Comm] " Arioch
2005-03-11 8:29 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Anatoly Yakushin
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* [Comm] [JT] +1 (was: Вопросы новичка)
2005-03-10 14:42 ` some_x
@ 2005-03-10 18:23 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] Adm... ну или хотя бы в oo-discuss@ :) (was: Вопросы новичка)
2005-03-10 17:12 ` Re[2]: " Alexei V. Mezin
@ 2005-03-10 18:28 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-15 19:09 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] "В.А."
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 14:55 ` some_x
2005-03-10 15:08 ` Afanasov Dmitry
@ 2005-03-10 18:30 ` Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 12:20 ` Valentin Kozlov
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2005-03-10 18:14 ` Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-10 18:42 ` Arioch
2005-03-10 19:08 ` [Comm] Re 0install Michael Shigorin
2005-03-11 8:29 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Anatoly Yakushin
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* [Comm] Re 0install
2005-03-10 18:42 ` [Comm] " Arioch
@ 2005-03-10 19:08 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-10 19:37 ` [Comm] " Arioch
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* [Comm] Re: Re 0install
2005-03-10 19:08 ` [Comm] Re 0install Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-10 19:37 ` Arioch
2005-03-11 12:03 ` [Comm] 0install Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JТ]
2005-03-10 12:07 ` Valentin Kozlov
@ 2005-03-10 19:57 ` Denis Klykvin
2005-03-11 8:14 ` Mike Lykov
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 11:37 ` Valentin Kozlov
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2005-03-10 14:06 ` Afanasov Dmitry
@ 2005-03-11 4:49 ` Денис Гайнцев
2005-03-13 18:45 ` Denis Smirnov
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* Re: [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JТ]
2005-03-10 12:07 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-10 19:57 ` Denis Klykvin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 12:20 ` Valentin Kozlov
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2005-03-10 18:42 ` [Comm] " Arioch
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-11 8:29 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Anatoly Yakushin
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* [Comm] Re: 0install
2005-03-10 19:37 ` [Comm] " Arioch
@ 2005-03-11 12:03 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-11 13:53 ` Arioch
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* [Comm] Re: 0install
2005-03-11 12:03 ` [Comm] 0install Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-11 13:53 ` Arioch
2005-03-11 14:56 ` [Comm] [JT] [OT] " Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] [JT] [OT] Re: 0install
2005-03-11 13:53 ` Arioch
@ 2005-03-11 14:56 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-11 23:02 ` [Comm] " Arioch
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* [Comm] Re: [JT] [OT] Re: 0install
2005-03-11 14:56 ` [Comm] [JT] [OT] " Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-11 23:02 ` Arioch
2005-03-14 9:48 ` Nick S. Grechukh
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* Re: [Comm] backports: voting?
2005-03-10 10:36 ` [Comm] backports: voting? Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-12 13:44 ` Alexey Borovskoy
2005-03-12 15:00 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] Re: backports: voting?
2005-03-12 13:44 ` Alexey Borovskoy
@ 2005-03-12 15:00 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-13 11:33 ` Alexey Borovskoy
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* Re: [Comm] Re: backports: voting?
2005-03-12 15:00 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-13 11:33 ` Alexey Borovskoy
2005-03-14 9:50 ` Nick S. Grechukh
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 11:37 ` Valentin Kozlov
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2005-03-11 4:49 ` [Comm] " Денис Гайнцев
@ 2005-03-13 18:45 ` Denis Smirnov
2005-03-15 13:33 ` Sergey Kuznetsov
2005-03-15 16:51 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 14:29 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2005-03-10 14:42 ` Re[2]: " Andrei Popov
2005-03-10 17:12 ` Re[2]: " Alexei V. Mezin
@ 2005-03-13 18:52 ` Denis Smirnov
2005-03-15 13:01 ` Alexey I. Froloff
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* Re: [Comm] Re: [JT] [OT] Re: 0install
2005-03-11 23:02 ` [Comm] " Arioch
@ 2005-03-14 9:48 ` Nick S. Grechukh
2005-03-14 12:28 ` [Comm] Re: [JT] архивы talk-room@ Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [Comm] Re: backports: voting?
2005-03-13 11:33 ` Alexey Borovskoy
@ 2005-03-14 9:50 ` Nick S. Grechukh
2005-03-14 12:08 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] Re: backports: voting?
2005-03-14 9:50 ` Nick S. Grechukh
@ 2005-03-14 12:08 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [Comm] Re: [JT] архивы talk-room@
2005-03-14 9:48 ` Nick S. Grechukh
@ 2005-03-14 12:28 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-14 14:49 ` Maksim Otstavnov
2005-03-21 8:22 ` Arioch
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* Re: [Comm] Re: [JT] архивы talk-room@
2005-03-14 12:28 ` [Comm] Re: [JT] архивы talk-room@ Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-14 14:49 ` Maksim Otstavnov
2005-03-14 15:25 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-21 8:22 ` Arioch
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* [Comm] Re: [JT] архивы talk-room@
2005-03-14 14:49 ` Maksim Otstavnov
@ 2005-03-14 15:25 ` Michael Shigorin
2005-03-14 18:48 ` Maksim Otstavnov
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From: Michael Shigorin @ 2005-03-14 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 05:49:42PM +0300, Maksim Otstavnov wrote:
> >> >архивы talk-room не ведутся (не только
> >> >не публикуются, но даже не ведутся).
> MS> Это, кстати, глупость была.
> Почему? Изящная реализация битодробилки /dev/null
Неизящная. Поскольку ресурсоёмкая по клиентской части.
--
---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/
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* Re: [Comm] Re: [JT] архивы talk-room@
2005-03-14 15:25 ` Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-14 18:48 ` Maksim Otstavnov
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From: Maksim Otstavnov @ 2005-03-14 18:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
Hello Michael,
Monday, March 14, 2005, 6:25:03 PM, you wrote:
>> MS> Это, кстати, глупость была.
>> Почему? Изящная реализация битодробилки /dev/null
MS> Неизящная. Поскольку ресурсоёмкая по клиентской части.
Совсем не ресурсоемкая. Честное слово.
Примерно как news:alt.1d
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-- Maksim
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-13 18:52 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Denis Smirnov
@ 2005-03-15 13:01 ` Alexey I. Froloff
2005-03-15 14:21 ` Denis Smirnov
2005-03-15 22:39 ` [Comm] " Konstantin A. Lepikhov
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From: Alexey I. Froloff @ 2005-03-15 13:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ALT Linux Community; +Cc: Denis Smirnov
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* Denis Smirnov <mithraen@> [050315 16:00]:
> Тот факт, что установка на чисту консольную машину licq ставит несколько
> сот метров говорит лишь о том, что если вам не нужен licq, у вас есть шанс
> сэкономить эти несколько сот метров.
licq прекрасно встаёт на голую консольную машину без иксов и
прочих qt. Есть консольный плагин ;-)
--
Regards, Sir Raorn.
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Team и фирма всегда стремились делать погоду, а не одевать калоши
ежедневно, ссылаясь на некую "объективную реальность".
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-13 18:45 ` Denis Smirnov
@ 2005-03-15 13:33 ` Sergey Kuznetsov
2005-03-15 13:51 ` Nick S. Grechukh
2005-03-15 16:51 ` [Comm] " Michael Shigorin
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From: Sergey Kuznetsov @ 2005-03-15 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
Здравствуйте!
Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:45:31 +0300 Denis Smirnov
<mithraen@freesource.info> писал:
> VK> office 2003 на win95 сильный аргумент, но меркнет перед
> VK> проблемой поставить тот же wine 2004 год, под Мастер 2.4,
> VK> на Юниор 2.3 (где то так тоже 2004-2003 год). сколько раз
> VK> тут писалось - Линукс должен быть не больше года старости.
> VK> 8 лет и один год.... а скорость развития софта... кто
> VK> сказал, что он быстрее развивается? в чем это выражается?
> VK> пока, опять же с точки зрения пользователя, т.е. человека
> VK> не могущего квалифицированно сравнить программный код,
> VK> Linux приложения пытаются _догнать_ подобные же в windows.
> VK> Мы не говорим о специальных демонах, но OOffice etc.
>
> Хочу напомнить, что линукс появился в 93-м году. Windows лет на
> пять (если не больше, не помню) раньше. То есть Windows в
> полтора раза старше. Тот факт, что Linux сейчас по юзабельности
> на десктопе вообще начал восприниматься общественностью как
> реальный конкурент Windows, говорит о большей скорости
> развития.
Кстати, не в полтора раза, а почти в два: в 1991 г появилось
ядро, а GUI к нему добавилось позже. Корректно будет сравнивать
не с Windows, а с DOS, история которого идет аж с 1981 г (в
противном случае и отсчет истории Linux надо вести с KDE, т.е., с
1996 г).
С уважением,
Сергей
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-15 13:33 ` Sergey Kuznetsov
@ 2005-03-15 13:51 ` Nick S. Grechukh
2005-03-15 14:26 ` Denis Smirnov
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From: Nick S. Grechukh @ 2005-03-15 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
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On Tuesday 15 March 2005 15:33, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Кстати, не в полтора раза, а почти в два: в 1991 г появилось
> ядро, а GUI к нему добавилось позже.
что, в линуксе свой гуй написали?
>Корректно будет сравнивать не с Windows, а с DOS, история которого идет
а если с дос сравнивать, то отсчет линукса надо вести от bell labs.
>аж с 1981 г (в противном случае и отсчет истории Linux надо вести с
>KDE, т.е., с 1996 г).
а может с появления иксов? не в линуксе, а в природе.
забудьте, в общем.
нет такой операционной системы - линукс. есть posix-совместимое ядро и glibc.
а есть alt, debian и suse.
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-15 13:01 ` Alexey I. Froloff
@ 2005-03-15 14:21 ` Denis Smirnov
2005-03-15 21:18 ` Vasily Kolomeets
2005-03-15 22:39 ` [Comm] " Konstantin A. Lepikhov
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From: Denis Smirnov @ 2005-03-15 14:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexey I. Froloff; +Cc: ALT Linux Community
Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
>>Тот факт, что установка на чисту консольную машину licq ставит несколько
>>сот метров говорит лишь о том, что если вам не нужен licq, у вас есть шанс
>>сэкономить эти несколько сот метров.
>>
>>
>licq прекрасно встаёт на голую консольную машину без иксов и
>прочих qt. Есть консольный плагин ;-)
>
>
Точно, я и забыл :)
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-15 13:51 ` Nick S. Grechukh
@ 2005-03-15 14:26 ` Denis Smirnov
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From: Denis Smirnov @ 2005-03-15 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 03:51:11PM +0200, Nick S. Grechukh wrote:
NSG> а может с появления иксов? не в линуксе, а в природе.
NSG> забудьте, в общем.
NSG> нет такой операционной системы - линукс. есть posix-совместимое ядро и glibc.
NSG> а есть alt, debian и suse.
Как ни сравнивай, а большинство компонент системы начало своё развитие
сильно позже чем у Microsoft. Однако догнали быстро.
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-13 18:45 ` Denis Smirnov
2005-03-15 13:33 ` Sergey Kuznetsov
@ 2005-03-15 16:51 ` Michael Shigorin
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From: Michael Shigorin @ 2005-03-15 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community; +Cc: Denis Smirnov
On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 09:45:31PM +0300, Denis Smirnov wrote:
> Хочу напомнить, что линукс появился в 93-м году.
Вот уж не ожидал от тебя. :-)
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-10 17:12 ` Re[2]: " Alexei V. Mezin
2005-03-10 18:28 ` [Comm] Adm... ну или хотя бы в oo-discuss@ :) (was: Вопросы новичка) Michael Shigorin
@ 2005-03-15 19:09 ` "В.А."
2005-03-16 9:43 ` [Comm] Administrativia (was: Вопросы новичка [JT]) Michael Shigorin
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From: "В.А." @ 2005-03-15 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
Alexei V. Mezin пишет:
>Но это все при условии, что система настроена, софт поставлен, железо
>"на лету" подхватывается. А вот с этим у Линукса вообще, и у Альта в
>частности, не очень. Чтобы довести систему до сносно работающего
>состояния нужно затратить в разы больше времени, чем для винды. И для
>домашней или рабочей, но личной, машины это еще терпимо, т.к. раз
>настроенная вещь может работать годами (у меня некоторые конфиги еще
>со времен Mandrake RE живут). Но, например, для перевода всех машин в
>нашем отделе на работе (даже не во всей фирме, а только в одной
>комнате одного отдела) ресурсов затратить нужно очень и очень много.
>Гораздо больше, чем поддержка и сопровождение винды.
>
>
Эот глюк! Форточка линейки NT весьма своеобразно подходит к
оборудованию: отсутствие настройки монитора (вообще нет!) в NT 2, его
утеря в 2000, и постоянные проблемы с USB-сканерами и принтерами
попортили мне много крови.
А PnP в Me чуть не довел до истерики - ПК "вис" при установке на этапе
настройки PnP устройств. Лечение обнаружилось случайно: нажать кнопку
eject CD-Rom'а при зависании ПК!!!
А надо мне сопровождать всего 3 шт Win ПК (индивидуальных), а с Linux -
10 шт (рабочих мест на 180 пользователей)!
>P.S. Может с приходом ВТО и нас заставят или купить весь софт или
>перейти на альтернативу. Жду не дождусь этого момента. Отпадет
>надобность искать краки и патчи, можно будет звонить в суппорт и
>е^Hпудрить им мозги, а не себе.
>
Платить ТАКИЕ деньги ($) за ТАКИЕ глюки??
С уважением, В.А.
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-15 14:21 ` Denis Smirnov
@ 2005-03-15 21:18 ` Vasily Kolomeets
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From: Vasily Kolomeets @ 2005-03-15 21:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
Denis Smirnov wrote:
> Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
>
>>> Тот факт, что установка на чисту консольную машину licq ставит
>>> несколько
>>> сот метров говорит лишь о том, что если вам не нужен licq, у вас
>>> есть шанс
>>> сэкономить эти несколько сот метров.
>>>
>>
>> licq прекрасно встаёт на голую консольную машину без иксов и
>> прочих qt. Есть консольный плагин ;-)
>>
>>
> Точно, я и забыл :)
>
Я как-то читал, как людям грустно живётся: .NET приходится вытягивать со
всеми виндовыми апдейтами (300-400 Mb) ради запуска какой-нибудь
шмакодявочки в 200 Kb.
Василий
--
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* [Comm] Re: Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-15 13:01 ` Alexey I. Froloff
2005-03-15 14:21 ` Denis Smirnov
@ 2005-03-15 22:39 ` Konstantin A. Lepikhov
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From: Konstantin A. Lepikhov @ 2005-03-15 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
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Hi Alexey!
Tuesday 15, at 04:01:45 PM you wrote:
> * Denis Smirnov <mithraen@> [050315 16:00]:
> > Тот факт, что установка на чисту консольную машину licq ставит несколько
> > сот метров говорит лишь о том, что если вам не нужен licq, у вас есть шанс
> > сэкономить эти несколько сот метров.
> licq прекрасно встаёт на голую консольную машину без иксов и
> прочих qt. Есть консольный плагин ;-)
тады лучше irssi + bitlbee ;)
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* [Comm] Administrativia (was: Вопросы новичка [JT])
2005-03-15 19:09 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] "В.А."
@ 2005-03-16 9:43 ` Michael Shigorin
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From: Michael Shigorin @ 2005-03-16 9:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 10:09:13PM +0300, "В.А." wrote:
> >Гораздо больше, чем поддержка и сопровождение винды.
> Эот глюк!
Народ, давайте завязывать с офтопиком, а?
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* [Comm] Re: [JT] архивы talk-room@
2005-03-14 12:28 ` [Comm] Re: [JT] архивы talk-room@ Michael Shigorin
2005-03-14 14:49 ` Maksim Otstavnov
@ 2005-03-21 8:22 ` Arioch
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From: Arioch @ 2005-03-21 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
Michael Shigorin пишет:
> Публичный архив хорошо лечит от ощущения вседозволенности.
Ну получишь его теперь на Гмейне :-)
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* Re: [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT]
2005-03-08 8:05 ` Vinogradov Anton
2005-03-08 8:31 ` Valentin Kozlov
2005-03-08 9:02 ` [Comm] Вопросы новичка [JT] Alexey Rusakov
@ 2005-03-22 18:06 ` Andrey Konovalov aka Krapa
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From: Andrey Konovalov aka Krapa @ 2005-03-22 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: community
В сообщении от Вт 8 Март 2005 13:05 Vinogradov Anton написал(a):
> Я за!!!
> Раз в два(три) месяца я получаю по подписке СD со всеми updates
> и десктоп программами за которые проголосовало сообщество,
> плюс чтото для ознакомления
> И плачу за это ну $3
Каким образом можно подписаться на этот сервис?
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Мы видим сны не для того, чтоб просыпаться - поэтому пока...
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