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From: Mikhail Zabaluev <mhz@alt-linux.org>
To: Alexandre Prokoudine <mandrake-russian@altlinux.ru>
Subject: [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны)
Date: Thu Mar 21 10:14:16 2002
Message-ID: <20020321071140.GA3290@mhz.mikhail.zabaluev.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <921462142.20020321082318@inbox.ru>

Hello Sergey,

On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 08:23:18AM +0300, Sergey Sokolov wrote:
>
> AP> http://www.computerra.ru/offline/2001/410/12375/
> 
> AP> 410-ый :-)))
> 
> Да, я уже нашёл. Отлично сказано. Что значит, человек умеет
> профессионально выражать свои мысли. Тот же лейтмотив, с которым я
> столкнулся: то, что в win очевидно и решается за пять минут, в Linux
> требует изучения документации и совсем "не очевидно".

Снова культурные различия. В Linux никто не считает тебя за идиота,
который не должен знать, что там под капотом, и даже не имеет на это
права. Зато, чтобы что-то сделать, нужно изучить, как это делается.
У этой культуры есть два преимущества: во-первых, не атрофируется
способность к обучению и синтезу знаний; во-вторых, когда что-то
ломается (а что-нибудь в сложном софте обязательно ломается),
лучшая возможность разобраться и починить есть у того, у кого она
должна быть -- у оператора системы. Есть недостаток: 90% людей,
которые пользуются компьютером, к этой культуре не готовы. Ну
так никто им и не навязывает, правильно? Пусть вон Mac OS X
пользуют.

Ещё, я бы не сказал, что в Windows всё очевидно (особенно с точки
зрения программирования -- ох-х-х...). Например, заявление
"Вы должны перезагрузиться для того, чтобы изменения обрели силу".
Это тоже обусловлено культурой однопользовательских десктопных
машинок, которые проще перезагрузить, чем заботиться о подсчёте ссылок
на открытые файлы в операционной системе. Но к той культуре просто все
привыкли. Или к её отсутствию -- знаете, почему в Windows 2000 трудно
_работать_ в не-административном режиме? И почему, даже если бы это
было легко, никто этого делать не хочет?

> Любопытно, но все преподносят это "знакомство" как что-то мелкое и
> неинтересное. Могу себе представить, сколько было бы восторженных
> воплей и биений пяткой в грудь, если бы Козловский похвалил Linux. ;)))

А кто это? :)

P.S. Вчера зашёл на http://www.aim.com . Ощущения -- как будто
оказался у ларька, из которого несётся шлягер недели.
Если это чья-то идея дружественности к пользователям, мне с ними
не по пути.

-- 
Stay tuned,
  MhZ                                     JID: mookid@jabber.org
___________
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bitters.  Shake.
		-- F. Scott Fitzgerald, recipe for turkey cocktail.



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2002-03-15  6:38 [mdk-re] ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ îÏ×ÏÍÌÉÎÓËÉÊ éÇÏÒØ
2002-03-15  9:45 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] [JT] Взгляд со стороны Roman S
2002-03-15 13:16 ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-15 14:29 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " ROmul
2002-03-15 15:28   ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] JT " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-15 16:38     ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-15 16:49     ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-15 16:26   ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-15 16:51     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-15 19:48       ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-15 23:15         ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-17 16:06           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-15 22:09       ` ROmul
2002-03-16  1:12         ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16  2:05           ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16  2:00         ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 10:02           ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 12:41             ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 13:21               ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 13:39                 ` ROmul
2002-03-16 14:53                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-17  1:06                     ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18  9:14                       ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 15:05                         ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18 15:39                           ` Anatoly A. Yakushin
2002-03-18 16:17                             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 16:43                               ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-18 17:40                                 ` ROmul
2002-03-18 17:46                                   ` [mdk-re] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-19 12:06                                     ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:37                                       ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-19 13:37                                         ` [mdk-re] [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:20                                           ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-19 13:55                                       ` [mdk-re] " Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-19 13:51                                     ` [mdk-re] RE: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " ROmul
2002-03-19 12:05                                 ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18 17:11                               ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-18 16:18                             ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-18 17:29                               ` [mdk-re] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-18 17:50                                 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-18 18:11                                   ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] RE: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Sergey S. Skulachenko
2002-03-18 19:24                                     ` [mdk-re] RE: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-18 17:58                                 ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-19 12:20                                   ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:02                                     ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-18 17:58                                 ` [mdk-re] RE: [mdk-re] " ROmul
2002-03-19 12:19                                   ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 13:48                                     ` ROmul
2002-03-19 14:41                                       ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 15:50                                         ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-19 17:14                                           ` [mdk-re] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-19 17:54                                             ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-20  8:54                                               ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-20 14:10                                                 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-20 15:23                                                   ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-21  9:12                                                     ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-21  9:40                                                       ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-21  9:48                                                         ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-21 10:05                                                           ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-21 10:10                                                             ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-21 11:17                                                               ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-21 12:22                                                                 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] [mdk-re] Re: Linuxoffice " Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2002-03-21 10:16                                                         ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office " Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-21 11:15                                                           ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-21 12:20                                                         ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-21 10:14                                                       ` Mikhail Zabaluev [this message]
2002-03-22  2:37                                                       ` Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-23 10:14                                                         ` [mdk-re] ошибка при сборке ядра из сизифа Dmitry S Kiselev
2002-03-23 10:33                                                           ` Dmitry S Kiselev
2002-03-19 18:15                                             ` [mdk-re] [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2002-03-20  2:24                                             ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 10:45                                               ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-21  2:12                                                 ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 10:10                                           ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:14                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 10:42                                       ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 12:25                                         ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 18:21                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) ROmul
2002-03-20  2:23                                       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 10:43                                       ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:07                                 ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:20                                   ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 13:50                                   ` ROmul
2002-03-19 14:42                                     ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:07                                   ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-18 20:05                               ` [mdk-re] " Anatoly A. Yakushin
2002-03-19 11:04                                 ` Vyt
2002-03-19 11:29                                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Russu V.F.
2002-03-19 11:47                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Linux office solution Vyt
2002-03-19 13:03                                       ` Russu V.F.
2002-03-19 11:31                                   ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) AVL
2002-03-19 14:48                                     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 17:06                                       ` AVL
2002-03-19 17:15                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 17:09                                       ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution Vyt
2002-03-19 17:20                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 18:30                                           ` ROmul
2002-03-19 19:54                                         ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-19 20:06                                           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-20  6:27                                     ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-19 11:46                                   ` Peter V. Saveliev
2002-03-19 14:41                                     ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20  6:28                                     ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-19 12:02                                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-19 12:44                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Linux office solution Vyt
2002-03-19 14:13                                       ` Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 15:26                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 20:29                                           ` Re[2]: " Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 20:43                                             ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 22:26                                               ` Re[2]: " Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 15:51                                         ` Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 12:33                                         ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 16:22                                           ` Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 23:10                                             ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:25                                       ` Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-19 14:49                                         ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-19 16:12                                           ` Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-19 17:49                                             ` AVL
2002-03-20  8:55                                               ` Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-19 15:34                                         ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-20  6:27                                       ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-19 13:03                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Russu V.F.
2002-03-19 14:11                                       ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-20 10:46                                         ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 11:17                                           ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-19 12:46                                   ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 13:36                                     ` [mdk-re] [JT] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:41                                       ` [mdk-re] [JT] Re: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20  6:27                                       ` [mdk-re] [JT] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 22:49                                       ` [mdk-re] [JT] Re: Linux office solution(was: " Vitaly Lipatov
2002-03-19 13:44                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Linux office solution Vyt
2002-03-19 15:01                                     ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 16:09                                       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-19 16:23                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 17:06                                           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-20  2:23                                             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20  3:14                                               ` [mdk-re] " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 20:26                                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 20:40                                             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 20:26                                           ` [mdk-re] to pay or not to pay (was: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ)) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 20:37                                             ` [mdk-re] to pay or not to pay (was: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны)) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 22:26                                               ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] to pay or not to pay (was: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ)) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 23:29                                                 ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] to pay or not to pay (was: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны)) Любимов А.В.
2002-03-20 11:30                                                   ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-20 13:55                                                     ` AVL
2002-03-20 14:38                                                       ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-20 15:41                                                         ` AVL
2002-03-20 16:41                                                           ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-20 17:19                                                             ` AVL
2002-03-20 15:54                                                         ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Artem Pastuchov
2002-03-20 16:17                                                           ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-20  2:23                                               ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 10:46                                             ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 13:11                                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Denis G. Samsonenko
2002-03-20  6:27                                     ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 10:35                                       ` Antonio
2002-03-20 10:57                                         ` AVL
2002-03-20 12:06                                         ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 11:45                                       ` [mdk-re] right thing vs. good enough (was: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ)) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 12:24                                         ` [mdk-re] right thing vs. good enough (was: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны)) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 16:27                                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] right thing vs. good enough (was: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ)) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 11:45                                       ` Re[4]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 12:36                                         ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2002-03-20 13:46                                           ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-20 16:27                                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 13:05                                   ` Denis G. Samsonenko
2002-03-19 14:00                                     ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: чЪЗМСД УП УФПТПОЩ) Vyt
2002-03-19 15:13                                       ` [mdk-re] Re[4]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-20 10:49                                         ` [mdk-re] " Vyt
2002-03-20 12:27                                           ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Þÿúíóä õð õæðôðïý) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 14:13                                     ` Re[3]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 13:50                                   ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) ROmul
2002-03-19 15:09                                     ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-19 16:22                                       ` Sergey Vlasov
2002-03-19 15:31                                     ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20  6:25                                   ` [mdk-re] " Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 11:45                                     ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 12:05                                 ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:20                                   ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:05                             ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-17  1:23                     ` [mdk-re] [JT] Взглядсо стороны cornet
2002-03-18  9:14                       ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 10:33                         ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-16 15:08                 ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Взгляд со стороны Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16 15:40                   ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 16:32                   ` Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 16:40                     ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 16:46                     ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 16:51                       ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 16:57                         ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 17:07                           ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 17:22                             ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 17:25                               ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 17:28                                 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 17:31                                   ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 19:29                                     ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 20:51                                   ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 21:51                                     ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 21:54                                       ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 23:02                                     ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-18 13:09                                       ` [mdk-re] Re: Bonobo Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-19 11:58                                         ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-19 14:17                                           ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 22:37                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Взгляд со стороны Roman S
2002-03-18  9:14                       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 10:15                         ` [mdk-re] " Aleksandr Blohin
2002-03-18 12:39                           ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 15:04                         ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-17  1:07                     ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18  9:14                       ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 15:05                         ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16 22:45                 ` [mdk-re] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-16 22:52                   ` [mdk-re] " cornet
2002-03-17  0:43                     ` Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-17  0:54                       ` cornet
2002-03-18  9:14                     ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 15:35             ` [mdk-re] " Konstantin Lepikhov
2002-03-15 16:37   ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-15 19:53     ` Roman S
2002-03-15 16:39   ` Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-15 22:09     ` ROmul
2002-03-16  0:19       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-16  0:33   ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16  1:19     ` ROmul
2002-03-16  2:38       ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 11:13         ` ROmul
2002-03-16 12:58           ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 15:04           ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16 12:23     ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16 15:59   ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-17  2:39     ` ROmul
2002-03-17  4:26       ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-17  6:08         ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-17 15:04         ` ROmul
2002-03-17 15:26           ` Gosha
2002-03-18 13:02       ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19  1:08         ` ROmul
2002-03-18 10:15   ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " AVL
2002-03-18 13:25     ` ROmul
2002-03-18 15:05       ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18 15:28         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19  0:39           ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18 22:53         ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-18 22:57           ` Любимов А.В.
2002-03-18 23:08             ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-19  1:36             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-19 12:21               ` [mdk-re] ifdown avl (was: [JT] Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:41                 ` [mdk-re] ifdown avl (was: [JT] ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-18 15:12       ` [JT] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Взгляд со стороны Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-18 16:34         ` [mdk-re] [JT] " ROmul
2002-03-19 10:34       ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Shur
2002-03-19 10:45         ` admin
2002-03-19 11:01           ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-20 11:23           ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Shur
2002-03-19 11:33         ` [mdk-re] RE: [JT] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-19 11:43           ` [mdk-re] " Tihonov Vladimir
2002-03-19 12:17             ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-19 13:35             ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 11:24             ` [mdk-re] " Shur
2002-03-19 13:08         ` [mdk-re] [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20  8:06           ` Shur
2002-03-15 20:15 ` [mdk-re] " Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-15 20:53   ` [mdk-re] " Aleksey Novodvorsky

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