[mdk-re] Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[mdk-re] Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Korshunov Ilya]

Kak i obeshal zabrasivau voprosami )).
Voobshem problem neskolko i bil be rad poluchit' solution hotja bi
chasti.
Systema - Spring , kernel 2.2.19 , XFREE 4 kakoy-to (v postravke udet),
stavil v win1251 kodirovke . Vhoju pod unpriveleged user. (Pod root'om
takaja je bodaga)
1) Mail :

Pitaus' zapustit' mutt  - vmeso menushek viju krakozabri . Ispolzuu
Netscape Messanger - uje luche, tolko ne mogu pisat' na russkom. Fonti
vrode vse cirylic v pref'ah postavil. Zagolovok pisma uvidet' na russkom
voobshe  ne variant )

2) WWW
V brauzere vrode vse oki - krome silno razdrazaushih kakaziabrov v
zagolovkah  v TITLE bar'e .  I eche - russkogo text'a na knopkah form
(Tima 'Iskat' i t.p.) toje netu (

3) Ne sovsem trabla no vse taki ) - gde vziat' Unreal tournament for
Linux i chto emu eshe nado dla raboti (Video - G-Forcse 2)

Regards
Korshunov

Re: [mdk-re] Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Serge Skorokhodov]

Здравствуйте!

KI> Kak i obeshal zabrasivau voprosami )).
KI> Voobshem problem neskolko i bil be rad poluchit' solution hotja bi
KI> chasti.
KI> Systema - Spring , kernel 2.2.19 , XFREE 4 kakoy-to (v postravke udet),
KI> stavil v win1251 kodirovke . Vhoju pod unpriveleged user. (Pod root'om
KI> takaja je bodaga)

A  v kakom rezhime (expert, rekomenduetcja etc.) stavili? Po
tomu, chto idet nizhe, pohozhe, chto ne vsio vstalo, chto s
jazykom svjazano:( A pod root'om lokalizacii ne byvaet, tak chto
tam vsio dolzhno byt' po anglijski.

KI> 1) Mail :

KI> Pitaus' zapustit' mutt - vmeso menushek viju krakozabri .
KI> Ispolzuu Netscape Messanger - uje luche, tolko ne mogu pisat'
KI> na russkom. Fonti vrode vse cirylic v pref'ah postavil.
KI> Zagolovok pisma uvidet' na russkom voobshe ne variant )

Zagolovok na russkom chasto "voobszhe ne variant":( To, chto ne
mozhete pisat' na russkom oznachaet, libo chto neverno vystavlena
local, libo chto ne vse nuzhnye komponenty postavleny. Nuzhen
vyvod, skazhem, comandy "set" v toj ee chasti, kotoraja "LANG" i
"LANGUAGE", a tak zhe "KEYTABLE". Chestno govorja, Vy chto-to ne
tak postavili, potomu chto po moim vospominanijam o Spring'e, s
jazykom vse i vsegda srazu rabotalo.

KI> 2) WWW
KI> V brauzere vrode vse oki - krome silno razdrazaushih kakaziabrov v
KI> zagolovkah  v TITLE bar'e .  I eche - russkogo text'a na knopkah form
KI> (Tima 'Iskat' i t.p.) toje netu (

V Spring'e s menjushkami etc. v cp1251 byli problemy, lechilis'
oni prostoj pravkoj kakih-to failov, no sejchas ne vspomnju.

KI> 3) Ne sovsem trabla no vse taki ) - gde vziat' Unreal
KI> tournament for Linux i chto emu eshe nado dla raboti (Video -
KI> G-Forcse 2)

Ehto ne ko mne:)

Podytozhivaja, mozhno posovetovat' (poka v sisteme ne narabotano
mnogo "svoih" dannyh) sdelat' tak:

  - zagruzivshis' v X pod root'om vyzvat' rmpdrake (mozhno cherez
  menu Nastrojka/Upravlenie paketami).

  - prosmotrev vnimatel'no derevo paketov, ustanovit' VSE, chto
  imeet otnoshenie k kodirovkam koi8-r i cp1251.

  - sozdat' novogo pol'zovatelja "po vkusu".

  - starogo nepreveligerovannogo pol'zovatelja udalit', ehto
  proszhe, chem razbirat'sja v tom, chto ne tak, a terjat' pri
  ehtom, k schastju, exhe nechego:)

  - nadejus', chto poslednim shagom budet "pol'zovat'sja i
  radovat'cja":)

Kstati, ja sam, kak i mnogie drugie, vo vremena Spring'a k
ustanovke v kodirovke cp1251 otnosilis' s nedoveriem, i ne bez
osnovanij: togda ehto bylo delo exhe novoe. Poehtomu mozhno
delat' i tak:

  - ustanavlivat' v koi8-r, no pri ehtom ustanavlivat' vse pakety
  lokalizacii cp1251. Naprimer, pri ustanovke 'expert' est'
  vozmozhnost' ukazat' dopolnitel'nye jazyki.

  - dlja togo, chtoby ispol'zovat' programmu v kodirovke cp1251,
  ee mozhno vyzyvat' cherez skript napodobie takogo:

    #! /bin/sh

    unset LANGUAGE
    LANG=ru_RU.CP1251 $@

  V rezul'tate programma budet rabotat' v srede cp1251, hotja vse
  ostal'noe -- v koi8-r! Pravda, ehto ne rabotaet c prilogenijami
  KDE/Qt.

  Ne otchaevajtes'! Vse tak nachinali:)
  
-- 
Serge Skorokhodov aka suralis
10.11.2001 suralis-s@mtu-net.ru

Re: [mdk-re] Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Korshunov Ilya]

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> privet). Otvechat' ne obazatelno na translit - ja vse viju no prosto ne mogu
> pisat')
> A  v kakom rezhime (expert, rekomenduetcja etc.) stavili? Po
> tomu, chto idet nizhe, pohozhe, chto ne vsio vstalo, chto s
> jazykom svjazano:( A pod root'om lokalizacii ne byvaet, tak chto
> tam vsio dolzhno byt' po anglijski.
>
> Pod root'om ponatno, bez pretenziy. To ko vot spring stavilsa v rejime
> eksperta i ne ustanovleni bili lish' ne nujnie mne paketi such as scince,
> zope etc. All system packects are installated on my system. Ja provel
> eksperiment postavil v rejime 'rekomenduetsa' to the nabor PC - i saw the
> same result.

>
> Podytozhivaja, mozhno posovetovat' (poka v sisteme ne narabotano
> mnogo "svoih" dannyh) sdelat' tak:
>
>   - zagruzivshis' v X pod root'om vyzvat' rmpdrake (mozhno cherez
>   menu Nastrojka/Upravlenie paketami).
>
>   - prosmotrev vnimatel'no derevo paketov, ustanovit' VSE, chto
>   imeet otnoshenie k kodirovkam koi8-r i cp1251.
>
>   - sozdat' novogo pol'zovatelja "po vkusu".
>
>   - starogo nepreveligerovannogo pol'zovatelja udalit', ehto
>   proszhe, chem razbirat'sja v tom, chto ne tak, a terjat' pri
>   ehtom, k schastju, exhe nechego:)
>
>   - nadejus', chto poslednim shagom budet "pol'zovat'sja i
>   radovat'cja":)
>

Seychas poprobuu.

Vot vidod Locale (in the attach) - on my opinion all correct here, but i can
mistake :


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LANG=ru_RU.CP1251
LC_CTYPE="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_NUMERIC="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_TIME="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_COLLATE="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_MONETARY="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_MESSAGES="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_PAPER="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_NAME="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_ADDRESS="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_TELEPHONE="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_MEASUREMENT="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="ru_RU.CP1251"
LC_ALL=

Re: [mdk-re] Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Korshunov Ilya]

>
>   V rezul'tate programma budet rabotat' v srede cp1251, hotja vse
>   ostal'noe -- v koi8-r! Pravda, ehto ne rabotaet c prilogenijami
>   KDE/Qt.
>
>   Ne otchaevajtes'! Vse tak nachinali:)

Voobshem nashel ja eshe po odnomu packetu for koi and win1251 both - nichego
ne proizoshlo. V RPMDrake smotrel - vse ostalnoe svazannoe s ruusian locale
ustanovlenno.

regards
korshunov

[mdk-re] Re: Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Mikhail Zabaluev]

Hello Korshunov,

On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:52:20PM +0300, Korshunov Ilya wrote:
>
> Pitaus' zapustit' mutt  - vmeso menushek viju krakozabri . Ispolzuu
> Netscape Messanger - uje luche, tolko ne mogu pisat' na russkom. Fonti
> vrode vse cirylic v pref'ah postavil. Zagolovok pisma uvidet' na russkom
> voobshe  ne variant )

  Try adding:

charset='cp1251'

  or

charset='windows-1251'

  to the Mutt settings:

~/.mutt/set

  Hope this helps. 

-- 
Stay tuned,
  MhZ                                     JID: mookid@jabber.org
___________
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		-- Joey Adams, "Cindy and I"

Re: [mdk-re] Re: Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Korshunov Ilya]

>   Try adding:
>
> charset='cp1251'
>
>   or
>
> charset='windows-1251'
>
>   to the Mutt settings:
>
> ~/.mutt/set
>
>   Hope this helps.

Po barabanu emu na eto ). Proboval i ta i tak i kavihkah i bez(

regards

Re: [mdk-re] Re: Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Sergey Vlasov]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:10:04 +0300
Korshunov Ilya <kosha@kp.ru> wrote:

> >   Try adding:
> >
> > charset='cp1251'
> >
> >   or
> >
> > charset='windows-1251'
> >
> >   to the Mutt settings:
> >
> > ~/.mutt/set
> >
> >   Hope this helps.
> 
> Po barabanu emu na eto ). Proboval i ta i tak i kavihkah i bez(

mutt-1.2.5i-ipl10mdk from Spring2001 has a bug in Russian
translation: it does not work in cp1251. You need to get a fixed
version from 

 ftp://ftp.altlinux.ru/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/updates/Spring2001/

Several other packages in Spring2001 have similar bugs. Try running:

 rpm -qf $(grep -L charset= /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/*.mo)

This will find installed packages with buggy *.mo files; these
packages will not work in cp1251.

Re: [mdk-re] Re: Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Korshunov Ilya]

>
>
> mutt-1.2.5i-ipl10mdk from Spring2001 has a bug in Russian
> translation: it does not work in cp1251. You need to get a fixed
> version from
>

Tak bi srazu i skazali ) . Poydu zaberu)

Re: [mdk-re] Re: Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Korshunov Ilya]

>
> mutt-1.2.5i-ipl10mdk from Spring2001 has a bug in Russian
> translation: it does not work in cp1251. You need to get a fixed
> version from
>
>  ftp://ftp.altlinux.ru/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/updates/Spring2001/
>

Kak eto ne stranno moja versia mutt-1.2.5.i-ipl11mdk. Na ftp lejit
takaja je.  No tem ne mennee zapros naschet .mo vidaet mutt. Tak gde
vziat' normal'niy ? )

Re: [mdk-re] Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Michael Shigorin]

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On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:52:20PM +0300, Korshunov Ilya wrote:
> 3) Ne sovsem trabla no vse taki ) - gde vziat' Unreal tournament for
> Linux i chto emu eshe nado dla raboti (Video - G-Forcse 2)
google.com -> ut-install-436-GOTY.run [6M]
takzhe linuxgames.com etc

PS: i zachem Vam Spring sdalsa v cp1251? :)

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
  ------ http://visa.chem.univ.kiev.ua/~mike/

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Re: [mdk-re] Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Korshunov Ilya]

>
> PS: i zachem Vam Spring sdalsa v cp1251? :)
>

Ja ego tolko is sa 1251 i pokupal. Prosto vse ludi s kotorimi ja obshaus' po
pochte, obmenivaus' documentami i pr.. jivut v 1251. Ja bous' chto mogut bit'
trubli s sovmestimost'u.

>
>

Re: [mdk-re] Problems with cyrilic in Spring

[Artem K. Jouravsky]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:40:27 +0300
Korshunov Ilya <kosha@kp.ru> wrote:

> >
> > PS: i zachem Vam Spring sdalsa v cp1251? :)
> >
> 
> Ja ego tolko is sa 1251 i pokupal. Prosto vse ludi s kotorimi ja obshaus' po
> pochte, obmenivaus' documentami i pr.. jivut v 1251. Ja bous' chto mogut bit'
> trubli s sovmestimost'u.
wsegda mozhno zapustit' w 1251 tol'ko odno prilozhenie ili okoshko. A samomu zhit'
w koi8-r pripewajuchi


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Re: [mdk-re] [JT] Problems with cyrilic in Spring: cp1251

[Michael Shigorin]

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On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:40:27PM +0300, Korshunov Ilya wrote:
> > PS: i zachem Vam Spring sdalsa v cp1251? :)
> Ja ego tolko is sa 1251 i pokupal. Prosto vse ludi s kotorimi ja obshaus' po
> pochte, obmenivaus' documentami i pr.. jivut v 1251. Ja bous' chto mogut bit'
> trubli s sovmestimost'u.
Oj kak strashno :))

Nu, mne poroj shclut labudu vsakuju. Tak iconv/catdoc/SO nikto ne
otmenial.

A 1251 real'nee nuzhna dla raboty s temi simvolami, kotoryh v
koi-8 prosto net. Nu, mozhet, webdisajneram (otchasti iz-za togo
zhe). Ja i to iconv'om obhodilsa (vse ravno derevo dokumentov
pered vykladyvanijem script chistit i zaodno perekodirujet)...

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
  ------ http://visa.chem.univ.kiev.ua/~mike/

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Re: [mdk-re] [JT] Problems with cyrilic in Spring: cp1251

[Korshunov Ilya]

13 Ноябрь 2001 09:29, Вы написали:
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:40:27PM +0300, Korshunov Ilya wrote:
> > > PS: i zachem Vam Spring sdalsa v cp1251? :)
> >
> > Ja ego tolko is sa 1251 i pokupal. Prosto vse ludi s kotorimi ja obshaus'
> > po pochte, obmenivaus' documentami i pr.. jivut v 1251. Ja bous' chto
> > mogut bit' trubli s sovmestimost'u.
>
> Oj kak strashno :))
>
> Nu, mne poroj shclut labudu vsakuju. Tak iconv/catdoc/SO nikto ne
> otmenial.
>
> A 1251 real'nee nuzhna dla raboty s temi simvolami, kotoryh v
> koi-8 prosto net. Nu, mozhet, webdisajneram (otchasti iz-za togo
> zhe). Ja i to iconv'om obhodilsa (vse ravno derevo dokumentov
> pered vykladyvanijem script chistit i zaodno perekodirujet)...


Ну вообщем уже пофиг. Я начал использовать KMail и хрен с ним нетшкафом и 
Mutt'ом.

Re: [mdk-re] [JT] Problems with cyrilic in Spring: cp1251

[Ihar Viarheichyk]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 04:47:07PM +0300, Korshunov Ilya wrote:
> 13 Ноябрь 2001 09:29, Вы написали:
> > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:40:27PM +0300, Korshunov Ilya wrote:
> > > > PS: i zachem Vam Spring sdalsa v cp1251? :)
> > >
> > > Ja ego tolko is sa 1251 i pokupal. Prosto vse ludi s kotorimi ja obshaus'
> > > po pochte, obmenivaus' documentami i pr.. jivut v 1251. Ja bous' chto
> > > mogut bit' trubli s sovmestimost'u.
> >
> > Oj kak strashno :))
> >
> > Nu, mne poroj shclut labudu vsakuju. Tak iconv/catdoc/SO nikto ne
> > otmenial.
> >
> > A 1251 real'nee nuzhna dla raboty s temi simvolami, kotoryh v
> > koi-8 prosto net. Nu, mozhet, webdisajneram (otchasti iz-za togo
> > zhe). Ja i to iconv'om obhodilsa (vse ravno derevo dokumentov
> > pered vykladyvanijem script chistit i zaodno perekodirujet)...
> 
> 
> Ну вообщем уже пофиг. Я начал использовать KMail и хрен с ним нетшкафом и 
> Mutt'ом.

У меня mutt работает в cp1251 без проблем. В muttrc прописать

set charset="cp1251"

и убедиться что в терминале используется шрифт *-microsoft-cp1251 (если
в иксах).

Единственная проблема - когда приходит письмо в koi8-r без указания
charset в Content-Type, приходится руками указывать.


-- 
Igor Vergeichik
ICQ 47298730

Re: [mdk-re] [JT] Problems with cyrilic in Spring: cp1251

[Korshunov Ilya]

>
> У меня mutt работает в cp1251 без проблем. В muttrc прописать
>
> set charset="cp1251"
>
> и убедиться что в терминале используется шрифт *-microsoft-cp1251 (если
> в иксах).
>

Да стоит всё. Что здесь (на работе) что дома (ставилось в режиме 
Рекомендуется) - но не фига не отображается.

Re: [mdk-re] [JT] Problems with cyrilic in Spring: cp1251

[Andriy Dobrovol's'kii]

А я вот Вам из Шкафа пишу. Правда 6.х. Весна. локаль 
uk_UA.cp1251.

Korshunov Ilya wrote:

> 13 Ноябрь 2001 09:29, Вы написали:
> 
>>On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 03:40:27PM +0300, Korshunov Ilya wrote:
>>
>>>>PS: i zachem Vam Spring sdalsa v cp1251? :)
>>>>
>>>Ja ego tolko is sa 1251 i pokupal. Prosto vse ludi s kotorimi ja obshaus'
>>>po pochte, obmenivaus' documentami i pr.. jivut v 1251. Ja bous' chto
>>>mogut bit' trubli s sovmestimost'u.
>>>
>>Oj kak strashno :))
>>
>>Nu, mne poroj shclut labudu vsakuju. Tak iconv/catdoc/SO nikto ne
>>otmenial.
>>
>>A 1251 real'nee nuzhna dla raboty s temi simvolami, kotoryh v
>>koi-8 prosto net. Nu, mozhet, webdisajneram (otchasti iz-za togo
>>zhe). Ja i to iconv'om obhodilsa (vse ravno derevo dokumentov
>>pered vykladyvanijem script chistit i zaodno perekodirujet)...
>>
> 
> 
> Ну вообщем уже пофиг. Я начал использовать KMail и хрен с ним нетшкафом и 
> Mutt'ом.
> 
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