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From: HB trying to survive under Linux <npecca@yahoo.com>
To: Aleksey Novodvorsky <mandrake-russian@altlinux.ru>
Subject: Re: [mdk-re] mandrake-russian without... Russian
Date: Thu Aug 16 23:29:10 2001
Message-ID: <20010816233016.A2204@hb.ant-on.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010816181106.37483571.aen@altlinux.ru>; from aen@altlinux.ru on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 06:11:06PM +0400

Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 06:11:06PM +0400, Aleksey Novodvorsky wrote:
> Dlja raboty v russkoj srede nuzhno vybrat' russikij yazyk pri
> ustanovke.

Ja proboval eto jeshche do togo, kak napisat' v etot mail list. Resultat, kak v toj reklame, prevzoshel ozhidanija. Nastol'ko prevzoshel, chto ja snes Linux, postavlennyj s Russkim `jazykom', cherez 1 chas k chertovoi materi :-)

> Togda u vas ne vozniknet problem.

Uvy, togda voznikaet massa drugih problem.

> Potom, pri zhelanii, mozhno otmenit' russkie soobshenija, ob etom
> napisano v FAQ na http://www.altlinux.ru

Ja ne chital toj chasti FAQ, o k-roj vy govorite, no ubrat' russkije soobshchenija dogadalsja. (zadav $LANG = $LANGUAGE = en_US). I wish it had helped :-(
Kogda ja, pri vseh russkih ustanovkah, zapustil pod KDE Netscape, on vydal mne (kak ja dogadalsja) tipa litsenzionnoje soglashenije. Tol'ko na shvabsko-mogikanskom jazyke (aka Krjakozjabry :) Ja by pljunul na eto, vsjo ravno chitat' tam nechego. Beda byla v tom, chto ja dolzhen byl nazhat' knopku, 1 iz 2, na 1-j nadpis' tipa (*&^$# a na drugoj -- )&%#%^ Tol'ko, konechno, ne ASCII-simvolami, a latinitsej s umljautami, shljapkami i t. p. Zagadka dlja smyshljonnyh mal'chikov -- kakaja iz knopok oznachajet "I agree", a kakaja "Get off" -- okazalas' mne ne po zubam.
No eto tsvetochki, t. k., uzhe zadav $LANG=$LANGUAGE=en_US i podumav "Fooooh. Nakonets-to...", ya zashel v katalog tipa .../squid/errors/ i obnaruzhil tam bezobrazije. Fail README soobshchal, chto mol "thanks a lot to Mr. Vasya Petrov, who translated error messages to Russian". I taki da, vse .html faily s oshibkami (access denied, naprimer) byli na russkom.
Posle takogo der'ma, kakim mne udruzhil Mr. Petrov, ja snes Linux v mgnovenije oka, posle chego postavil _snova_ normal'no, t. e. s US English-nastrojkami. Ja napisal '_snova_', t. k., ne buduchi durakom, ja postavil Linux v 1-j raz s US Eng ustanovkami, lish' zatem s Russian (tipa "a vdrug moj vnutrennij golos obmanyvajet, i eto srabotajet"), a teper' vot opyat' s US Eng.

> Klaviatura ru_cplk est' v dvuh variantah: KOI8-R i CP1251 (v
> otlichie ot X-klaviatury, konsol'naya zavisit ot kodirovki),
> sootvetstvenno v /etc/sysconfig/keyboard nyzhno napisat'
> ru_cplk-KOI8-R ili ru_cplk-CP1251.

Ja sdelal, kak vy skazali:
# diff ~/keyboard.OLD /etc/sysconfig/keyboard
2c2
< KEYTABLE=ru_cplk
---
> KEYTABLE=ru_cplk-KOI8-R
#

Zarabotalo! :) Spasibo!

> Odnako, bez russkih ustanovok
> konsol'nyh shriftov eto bessmyslenno.

Ne soglasen. Russifikatsija klaviatury i ekrana -- nezavisimyje i dazhe, v opredelennom smysle, ortogonal'nyje veshchi.

Tak kak teper' mne sdelat' 2-ju chast' Marmezonskogo baleta i poluchit' russkije konsol'nyje shrifty?

> Ja sovetuju Vam povtorit' ustanovku, vybrav russkij _yazyk_.

No THANKS. I'd rather stop speaking Russian.
 
-- 
HB
``All mail clients suck.  This one just sucks less.'' -me, circa 1995
``Still it sucks more than any e-mail client _I_'ve ever seen'' -hb, today



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2001-08-16 17:10 HB trying to survive under Linux
2001-08-16 18:05 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-16 23:29   ` HB trying to survive under Linux [this message]
2001-08-17 15:09     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-17 15:13       ` [mdk-re] ïÐÃÉÉ ÓÂÏÒËÉ Samba Sergei Makarov
2001-08-19 22:31       ` [mdk-re] ÷Ï ÄÎÉ ÔÑÇÏÓÔÎÙÈ ÒÁÚÄÕÍÉÊ É ÍÕÞÅÎÉÊ Ó Linux ÔÙ ÏÄÉÎ ÍÎÅ ÐÏÄÄÅÒÖËÁ É ÏÐÏÒÁ HB trying to survive under Linux
2001-08-19 22:35         ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] ÷? ??? ????????? ???????? ? ??????? ? Linux?????? ??? ??????????????? Sergei
2001-08-19 23:45           ` [mdk-re] " Romul
2001-08-20 13:00           ` [mdk-re] mandrake-russian without... Russian Henri Bourbon
2001-08-20 13:27             ` Dmitry V. Levin
2001-08-20 13:43             ` cornet
2001-08-20 14:13             ` Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-21 15:37               ` Re[2]: " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-20 14:27             ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] почтовый клиент Sergey S. Skulachenko
2001-08-20 15:45             ` [mdk-re] mandrake-russian without... Russian Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-20 20:02               ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Convenient mail client Henri Bourbon
2001-08-20 20:49                 ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-20 21:36                   ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-20 23:03                     ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 15:03                     ` Re[2]: " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 16:24                       ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-21 16:37                         ` Volkov Serge
2001-08-21 16:52                           ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 16:42                         ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 19:53                         ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, ÐÌÁ×ÎÏ ÐÅÒÅÈÏÄÑÝÉÊ × ÉÄÅÏÌÏÇÉÞÅÓËÉÅ ÓÐÏÒÙ Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 20:17                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологические споры Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-21 20:22                           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-21 22:45                             ` [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологическиеспоры Sergei
2001-08-21 23:52                           ` [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологические споры cornet
2001-08-22  0:14                             ` [mdk-re] [JT] ...идеологические споры Баталов Григорий
2001-08-22  7:06                             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологические споры Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-22 16:18                               ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-23  0:38                                 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Romul
2001-08-23 16:40                                   ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-23 20:12                                     ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-24 11:04                                     ` Vladimir Karpinsky
2001-08-24 19:01                                       ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-24 19:01                                       ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-24 21:08                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-25 14:27                                           ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-25 22:53                                             ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-25 23:31                                               ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-26  0:25                                               ` [mdk-re] [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Aleksandr Blohin
2001-08-26  2:14                                                 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-26 17:25                                               ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-27  0:45                                                 ` [JT] " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-27  1:11                                                   ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-27 17:01                                                   ` Romul
2001-08-27 20:57                                                   ` [mdk-re] JT: Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-27 21:29                                                     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-23  7:27                                 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-23  9:05                                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, ÐÌÁ×ÎÏ ÐÅÒÅÈÏÄÑÝÉÊ × ÉÄÅÏÌÏÇÉÞÅÓËÉÅ ÓÐÏÒÙ îÏ×ÏÍÌÉÎÓËÉÊ éÇÏÒØ
2001-08-23 11:25                                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Mozilla, плавно переходящий в идеологические споры John Profic
2001-08-23 14:28                                   ` John Profic
2001-08-24  0:25                                     ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-22  1:56                         ` [mdk-re] Convenient mail client Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-22  0:01                       ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-21 14:27                   ` Re[4]: [mdk-re] " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 14:44                     ` cornet
2001-08-21 15:02                       ` cornet
2001-08-21 15:08                       ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 15:22                         ` cornet
2001-08-21 15:34                           ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 16:00                             ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 16:06                               ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 16:21                                 ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 16:34                                   ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 17:02                                     ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 17:12                                       ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 17:45                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-21 17:52                                         ` Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2001-08-21 16:23                                 ` cornet
2001-08-21 16:37                                   ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 17:12                                     ` Volkov Serge
2001-08-21 17:34                                       ` cornet
2001-08-22  1:56                                         ` Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-21 17:51                             ` Re[2]: " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 17:58                               ` cornet
2001-08-27 23:45                                 ` [mdk-re] [JT] Netscape Messenger, The Bat & POP3 authentication Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28  1:56                                   ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 17:07                                     ` [mdk-re] " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28 17:35                                       ` cornet
2001-08-22 15:20                               ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Convenient mail client Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 22:24                             ` [mdk-re] [JT] " Sergei
2001-08-22  1:56                       ` [mdk-re] " Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-21 15:02                     ` Re[4]: " Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-21 17:38                       ` Re[6]: " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-22 15:18                         ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-22  9:01                     ` Re[4]: " Maxim Mitrofanov
2001-08-21 16:48                   ` Re[4]: [mdk-re] Sylpheed: "code conversion failed" & other troubles Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 16:54                     ` Alexander Kubatkin
2001-08-21 16:56                       ` Alexander Kubatkin
2001-08-21 17:19                     ` Sergey S. Skulachenko
2001-08-27 18:26                       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 18:49                         ` Баталов Григорий
2001-08-27 19:55                           ` [mdk-re] перенос цитат в mutt AT
2001-08-28  0:44                             ` [mdk-re] " Aleksandr Blohin
2001-08-28  0:50                             ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-30 10:07                               ` Michael Shigorin
2001-08-31  0:00                                 ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 16:06                           ` [mdk-re] Sylpheed: цитирование Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 18:50                         ` [mdk-re] Sylpheed: "code conversion failed" & other troubles Artem K. Jouravsky
2001-08-28 18:43                           ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-21 17:39                     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-27 17:37                       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 18:06                         ` cornet
2001-08-27 18:09                         ` Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-27 22:23                           ` Andrey Brindeew
2001-08-21 18:29                     ` Re[4]: " Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-27 17:40                       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-20 22:08                 ` [mdk-re] Convenient mail client AT
2001-08-22  1:56                 ` Re[2]: " Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-22  2:38                 ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-22  3:40                   ` [mdk-re] Mutt Was: " S. Budnevitch
2001-08-19 23:26         ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Во дни тягостных раздумий и мучений с Linux ты один мне поддержка и опора cornet
2001-08-21 17:54 [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Free soft 4 win Roman S
2001-08-21 18:00 ` cornet
2001-08-27 22:36   ` [mdk-re] [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] Convenient mail client Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 22:50     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-28  2:02       ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-Ï] " Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-28  9:07         ` [mdk-re] JT (Was: Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-о] Convenient mail client) Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-28 10:34           ` [mdk-re] About IT Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-28 16:26             ` JT " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-28 15:49         ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-о] Convenient mail client Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-28 15:59           ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-Ï] " Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 13:14             ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-о] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-29 14:23               ` [mdk-re] JT UI Toolkits (was: Convenient mail client) Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-29 15:02                 ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-29 15:31                   ` Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-29 15:38                     ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 23:39                     ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-30 10:01                       ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-31  1:34                         ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-30 14:45                       ` Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-31  0:28                         ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-29 14:35               ` [mdk-re] Motif, X11 and history Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-28 19:37         ` [mdk-re] Convenient mail client Henri Bourbon
2001-08-29  6:33           ` Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-29 10:55             ` [mdk-re] JT: UNIX cornerstones Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 13:48               ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-29 14:52                 ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 16:46               ` [mdk-re] " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-29 17:54                 ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 19:15                   ` Gosha
2001-08-29 22:42                     ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 19:12               ` Gosha
2001-08-29 22:40                 ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-28  9:07       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] Convenient mail client Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-28 19:39         ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-27 22:58     ` [mdk-re] [JT] " Andrey Brindeew
2001-08-28  1:07       ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 19:23         ` [mdk-re] " Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28 19:39           ` Vyt
2001-08-29 15:26           ` Dmitry Samoyloff
2001-08-30 10:41             ` Alex Savvin
2001-08-28  7:08       ` Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2001-08-28 10:23         ` Andrey Brindeew
2001-08-28 19:15       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28 19:36         ` Andrey Brindeew
2001-08-28 19:47           ` cornet
2001-08-28 21:09             ` Gosha
2001-08-29 15:16             ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-29 15:35               ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 15:48                 ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-29 16:14                   ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 16:25                     ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-29 17:57                       ` Yuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 15:50               ` Sergey Bolshakov
2001-08-29 16:10                 ` Mikhail Nikitin
2001-08-29 16:44                   ` Alexander Bokovoy
2001-08-29 17:15                     ` Sergey S. Skulachenko
2001-08-29 20:11                       ` Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-08-29 20:22                         ` Alexander Bokovoy
2001-08-29 17:00                   ` Sergey Bolshakov
2001-08-30 11:37                   ` [mdk-re] [JT] PHP-ÏÔÌÁÄÞÉË (ÂÙÌÏ: Convenient mail client) Sergei Makarov
2001-08-29 19:28               ` [mdk-re] [JT] Convenient mail client John Profic
2001-08-29 15:26             ` Dmitry Samoyloff
2001-08-29 13:34         ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28  0:23     ` [mdk-re] [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] " cornet
2001-08-28 11:14       ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2001-08-28 11:25         ` cornet
2001-08-28 11:30           ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2001-08-28 16:06         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-08-28 20:01       ` Henri Bourbon
2001-08-28 20:13         ` cornet
2001-08-28  1:45     ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 21:26       ` [mdk-re] [JT] Название клавиш на клавиатуре и трёп, трёп, трёп Henri Bourbon
2001-08-29  0:27         ` [mdk-re] [JT] îÁÚ×ÁÎÉÅ ËÌÁ×ÉÛ ÎÁ ËÌÁ×ÉÁÔÕÒÅ É ÔÒ£Ð, ÔÒ£Ð, ÔңРYuri Ryazantsev
2001-08-29 14:26         ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Название клавиш на клавиатуре и трёп, трёп, трёп Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28  1:48     ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] Convenient mail client Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-08-28 18:36     ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-28 20:29       ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] [JT] [ëÏÎËÒÅÔÎÙÊ JT] [ïÔËÒÏ×ÅÎÎÏÅ ÓÌÏ×ÏÂÌÕÄÓÔ×Ï] " Serge Skorokhodov
2001-08-28 20:50         ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] [JT] [Конкретный JT] [Откровенное словоблудство] " Sergey Vlasov
2001-08-21 18:07 ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Free soft 4 win Sergey Degtyaryov
2001-08-21 18:25 ` Alexandr Zhegallo
2001-08-21 18:31 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky

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