From: Maksim Otstavnov <maksim@otstavnov.com>
To: Aleksey Novodvorsky <mandrake-russian@linuxteam.iplabs.ru>
Subject: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] О почте и т.п.
Date: Fri Dec 29 21:00:01 2000
Message-ID: <1431231693.20001229205921@otstavnov.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3A4CCE80.5C7791D0@logic.ru>
Hello Aleksey,
Friday, December 29, 2000, 8:48:49 PM, you wrote:
AN> За ошибку в крипто-программе, как и в любой программе, отвечать
AN> невозможно. Возможно -- подерживать программу на определенных
AN> условиях, страховать риск etc. Главная опасность -- не ошибка, а
AN> жучок. Конечно, лицензирование от него не спасет, скорее наоборот,
AN> здесь нужна скорее независимая добровольная сертификация.
От "жучков" - открытые исходники.
>> Такого не бывает, это несовместимо с основами права. Меня нельзя
>> обязать раскрыть такую информацию, поскольку я могу счесть, что ее
>> раскрытие является свидетельствованием против себя.
AN> Я не силен в праве, увы. А если речь идет не об обвиняемом, а о свидетеле?
AN> Если нет способов легально потребовать раскрытия информации,
Крипто используется в том числе и для закрытия информации, которая не
должна раскрываться никогда (инкриминирующая, интимная и т.п.). А
ключи используются долговременные.
От свидетеля можно потребовать раскрыть содержимое конкретного
сообщения - вспомнить, или расшифровать, если есть такая техническая
возможность (использован свой ключ и ключ сохранился).
AN> то СОРМ неизбежен в принципе,
"СОРМ" есть следствие технических изъянов инфраструктуры и подлости
провайдеров, никакого иного содержания в ней нет. Включите S/WAN по
умолчанию при установке MDK - внесете лепту в совершенствование
инфраструктуры. А нет - так что это обсуждать - опять останутся
виноваты ФАПСИ, ФСБ, NSA, трехсторонняя коммисия и жидомасоны - кто
угодно, только не мы ;)
--
-- Maksim
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2000-12-29 17:19 [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] ï ÐÏÞÔÅ É Ô.Ð Roman S
2000-12-29 17:48 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] О почте и т.п Aleksey Novodvorsky
2000-12-29 18:17 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-29 19:22 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2000-12-29 21:00 ` Maksim Otstavnov [this message]
2000-12-29 21:26 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2000-12-30 13:40 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-30 14:21 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2000-12-30 18:18 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-30 18:39 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2000-12-30 20:56 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-30 21:14 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2000-12-30 21:52 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-31 7:58 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2000-12-31 13:22 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-31 15:25 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2000-12-31 17:39 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-31 17:56 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2000-12-31 16:57 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
2000-12-31 17:54 ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-31 18:00 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-01 12:36 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
2001-01-01 22:58 ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-02 0:14 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]:[mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re]О " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-02 2:13 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
2001-01-02 2:28 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-02 17:36 ` [mdk-re] Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-02 21:21 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]:[mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re]О почте и т.п Alexander Bokovoy
2001-01-02 21:49 ` [mdk-re] Re[8]: ï ÐÏÞÔÅ É Ô.Ð äÙÍÙÞ
2001-01-02 21:55 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[8]: О почте и т.п Alexander Bokovoy
2001-01-03 12:15 ` [mdk-re] New distribution Andrei Gerasimenko
2001-01-03 12:18 ` Anton Farygin
2001-01-03 13:05 ` Andrei Gerasimenko
2001-01-03 13:13 ` Anton Farygin
2001-01-03 18:53 ` Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-03 19:47 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-03 20:23 ` Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-03 23:30 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-04 0:35 ` Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-04 1:07 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-04 11:08 ` Re[2]: " Vladimir V. Karpinsky
2001-01-04 11:19 ` Anton Farygin
2001-01-04 11:23 ` Re[2]: " Vladimir V. Karpinsky
2001-01-04 11:25 ` Anton Farygin
2001-01-04 13:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-04 14:28 ` Igor Fadin
2001-01-04 11:44 ` Re[2]: " Dmitry
2001-01-04 13:31 ` Sergey Sokolov
2001-01-04 13:54 ` Pavel N. Solovyov
2001-01-04 16:08 ` Sergey Sokolov
2001-01-04 13:03 ` Andrei Gerasimenko
2001-01-04 13:20 ` Pavel N. Solovyov
2001-01-04 13:30 ` Re[4]: " Vladimir V. Karpinsky
2001-01-04 13:35 ` Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-04 13:51 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-04 7:22 ` rider
2001-01-04 13:35 ` Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-04 13:52 ` Anton Farygin
2001-01-03 13:17 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-03 13:12 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-03 12:21 ` AB
2001-01-03 12:24 ` Anton Farygin
2001-01-03 13:14 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-03 13:28 ` Anton Farygin
2001-01-03 13:35 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-03 13:39 ` Anton Farygin
2001-01-03 23:53 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2001-01-03 18:53 ` Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-03 19:34 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-04 7:20 ` rider
2001-01-03 20:01 ` Igor Solovyov
2001-01-03 23:56 ` Andrei Gerasimenko
2001-01-04 0:00 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-05 8:24 ` Dmitry Samoyloff
2001-01-03 21:12 ` Alexey Voinov
2001-01-02 23:22 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re:[mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]:[mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re]О почте и т.п Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-03 1:05 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-03 1:41 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re:[mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]:[mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]:[mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re]О почте ит.п Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-03 15:07 ` [mdk-re] " Peter Novodvorsky
2001-01-03 15:55 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re]Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Peter Novodvorsky
2001-01-03 16:07 ` Alexander Bokovoy
2001-01-03 18:53 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re]Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]:[mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]:[mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-03 18:53 ` [mdk-re] print lib issue (Was: Re[2]: [mdk-re] ...О почте ит.п.) Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-03 20:27 ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-03 2:42 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re]О почте и т.п Alexander Bokovoy
2001-01-03 18:53 ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-12 21:47 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re]ï ÐÏÞÔÅ É Ô.Ð Serge Skorokhodov
2001-01-12 22:05 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re]О почте и т.п Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-12 22:10 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
2001-01-03 12:28 ` [mdk-re] О " Andrei Gerasimenko
2001-01-04 17:30 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re:[mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]:[mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re]О " Maxim Podorov
2001-01-04 17:44 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-04 18:08 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-30 20:56 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] О " Maksim Otstavnov
2000-12-30 21:16 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-04 13:45 ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] ï ÐÏÞÔÅ É Ô.Ð Roman Ivanov
2001-01-04 14:12 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] О почте и т.п Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-04 16:51 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-05 12:48 ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2001-01-05 13:19 ` Alexander Bokovoy
2001-01-05 16:42 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-05 20:06 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-05 20:18 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2001-01-05 20:57 ` Alexander Bokovoy
2001-01-04 14:37 ` [mdk-re] Re[3]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2001-01-04 14:47 ` cornet
2001-01-09 15:08 ` [mdk-re] Re: Re[2]: " Dmitry A. Povarov
2001-01-10 13:21 ` Dmitry A. Povarov
2000-12-30 2:36 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2000-12-30 0:46 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] ï ÐÏÞÔÅ É Ô.Ð Roman S
2000-12-30 20:57 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] О почте и т.п Mikhail Zabaluev
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