* [mdk-re] OO vs SO
@ 2002-03-31 21:50 ` Вячеслав Диконов
2002-04-01 0:47 ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
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2002-04-01 1:33 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO) Вячеслав Диконов
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* [mdk-re] Re: OO vs SO
2002-03-31 21:50 ` [mdk-re] OO vs SO Вячеслав Диконов
@ 2002-04-01 0:47 ` Michael Shigorin
2002-04-01 1:36 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
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* [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO).
2002-03-31 21:50 ` [mdk-re] OO vs SO Вячеслав Диконов
@ 2002-04-01 1:33 ` Вячеслав Диконов
2002-04-01 2:34 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
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* Re: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-03-31 21:50 ` [mdk-re] OO vs SO Вячеслав Диконов
2002-04-01 0:47 ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
@ 2002-04-01 1:36 ` Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-01 3:11 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
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2002-04-01 3:11 ` [mdk-re] OO vs SO Alexandre Prokoudine
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* [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO).
2002-04-01 1:33 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO) Вячеслав Диконов
@ 2002-04-01 2:34 ` Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-01 3:52 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-04-01 10:45 ` Alexey Korotkov
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* Re: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-03-31 21:50 ` [mdk-re] OO vs SO Вячеслав Диконов
2002-04-01 0:47 ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-04-01 1:36 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
@ 2002-04-01 3:11 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-04-01 13:37 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
2002-04-02 2:25 ` [mdk-re] " Vital Khilko
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* Re: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-04-01 1:36 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
@ 2002-04-01 3:11 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-04-01 12:19 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 12:22 ` Re[2]: " Serge Skorokhodov
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* Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO).
2002-04-01 2:34 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
@ 2002-04-01 3:52 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-04-01 20:29 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO).
2002-04-01 1:33 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO) Вячеслав Диконов
2002-04-01 2:34 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
@ 2002-04-01 10:45 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-01 12:37 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 12:22 ` [mdk-re] JT èëè âîéíà ÿçûêîâ (fd. OO vs SO) Serge Skorokhodov
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* Re: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-04-01 1:36 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-01 3:11 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
@ 2002-04-01 12:19 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 12:22 ` Re[2]: " Serge Skorokhodov
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* Re[2]: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-04-01 1:36 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-01 3:11 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-04-01 12:19 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-01 12:22 ` Serge Skorokhodov
2002-04-01 20:15 ` Vladimir NOVIKOV
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT èëè âîéíà ÿçûêîâ (fd. OO vs SO).
2002-04-01 1:33 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO) Вячеслав Диконов
2002-04-01 2:34 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-01 10:45 ` Alexey Korotkov
@ 2002-04-01 12:22 ` Serge Skorokhodov
2002-04-01 12:23 ` Serge Skorokhodov
2002-04-01 13:07 ` [mdk-re] Re: JT или война языков " Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT èëè âîéíà ÿçûêîâ (fd. OO vs SO).
2002-04-01 1:33 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO) Вячеслав Диконов
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2002-04-01 12:22 ` [mdk-re] JT èëè âîéíà ÿçûêîâ (fd. OO vs SO) Serge Skorokhodov
@ 2002-04-01 12:23 ` Serge Skorokhodov
2002-04-01 13:07 ` [mdk-re] Re: JT или война языков " Michael Shigorin
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 10:45 ` Alexey Korotkov
@ 2002-04-01 12:37 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 16:12 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
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* [mdk-re] Re: JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO).
2002-04-01 1:33 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO) Вячеслав Диконов
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2002-04-01 12:23 ` Serge Skorokhodov
@ 2002-04-01 13:07 ` Michael Shigorin
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* [mdk-re] Re: OO vs SO
2002-03-31 21:50 ` [mdk-re] OO vs SO Вячеслав Диконов
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2002-04-01 3:11 ` [mdk-re] OO vs SO Alexandre Prokoudine
@ 2002-04-01 13:37 ` Alexander Bokovoy
2002-04-01 22:59 ` Michael Shigorin
2002-04-02 2:25 ` [mdk-re] " Vital Khilko
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* [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 12:37 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO) Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-01 16:12 ` Yuri Borunov
2002-04-01 16:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 16:30 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
2002-04-01 20:59 ` [mdk-re] " Alexey Morozov
2002-04-01 22:07 ` Alexey Korotkov
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* Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 16:12 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
@ 2002-04-01 16:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 17:33 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
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2002-04-01 16:30 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
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* [mdk-re] Re: JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 16:12 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
2002-04-01 16:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-01 16:30 ` Alexander Bokovoy
2002-04-01 17:30 ` [mdk-re] " Yuri Borunov
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* [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 16:30 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
@ 2002-04-01 17:30 ` Yuri Borunov
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* [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 16:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-01 17:33 ` Yuri Borunov
2002-04-01 19:20 ` Maksim Otstavnov
2002-04-02 3:04 ` Vital Khilko
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* [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 16:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 17:33 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
@ 2002-04-01 19:20 ` Maksim Otstavnov
2002-04-01 19:53 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 3:04 ` Vital Khilko
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* Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 19:20 ` Maksim Otstavnov
@ 2002-04-01 19:53 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
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* Re: Re[2]: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-04-01 12:22 ` Re[2]: " Serge Skorokhodov
@ 2002-04-01 20:15 ` Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-01 20:31 ` Re[4]: " Serge Skorokhodov
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* [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO).
2002-04-01 3:52 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
@ 2002-04-01 20:29 ` Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-02 13:30 ` [mdk-re] " Dmitri D. Sayakin
2002-04-02 13:51 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Alexandre Prokoudine
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* Re[4]: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-04-01 20:15 ` Vladimir NOVIKOV
@ 2002-04-01 20:31 ` Serge Skorokhodov
2002-04-01 20:42 ` Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-02 13:50 ` Re[4]: " Alexandre Prokoudine
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* Re: Re[4]: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-04-01 20:31 ` Re[4]: " Serge Skorokhodov
@ 2002-04-01 20:42 ` Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-02 10:02 ` Re[6]: " Serge Skorokhodov
2002-04-02 13:50 ` Re[4]: " Alexandre Prokoudine
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 12:37 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 16:12 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
@ 2002-04-01 20:59 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-04-01 21:31 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-04-01 22:33 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-01 22:07 ` Alexey Korotkov
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* [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 20:59 ` [mdk-re] " Alexey Morozov
@ 2002-04-01 21:31 ` Maksim Otstavnov
2002-04-01 22:33 ` Alexey Korotkov
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 12:37 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 16:12 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
2002-04-01 20:59 ` [mdk-re] " Alexey Morozov
@ 2002-04-01 22:07 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-01 22:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 7:51 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков " Alexey Morozov
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 22:07 ` Alexey Korotkov
@ 2002-04-01 22:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 0:10 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 11:22 ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT ÉÌÉ ×ÏÊÎÁ ÑÚÙËÏ× " Serge Skorokhodov
2002-04-02 7:51 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков " Alexey Morozov
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 20:59 ` [mdk-re] " Alexey Morozov
2002-04-01 21:31 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
@ 2002-04-01 22:33 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 7:47 ` Alexey Morozov
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* [mdk-re] Re: OO vs SO
2002-04-01 13:37 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
@ 2002-04-01 22:59 ` Michael Shigorin
2002-04-02 12:56 ` Alexander Bokovoy
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 22:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-02 0:10 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 2:54 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 7:54 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO) Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 11:22 ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT ÉÌÉ ×ÏÊÎÁ ÑÚÙËÏ× " Serge Skorokhodov
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* Re: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-03-31 21:50 ` [mdk-re] OO vs SO Вячеслав Диконов
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2002-04-01 13:37 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
@ 2002-04-02 2:25 ` Vital Khilko
2002-04-02 3:04 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-02 0:10 ` Alexey Korotkov
@ 2002-04-02 2:54 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 8:13 ` Alexey Morozov
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2002-04-02 7:54 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO) Alexey Morozov
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* Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 16:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 17:33 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
2002-04-01 19:20 ` Maksim Otstavnov
@ 2002-04-02 3:04 ` Vital Khilko
2002-04-02 3:07 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
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* Re: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-04-02 2:25 ` [mdk-re] " Vital Khilko
@ 2002-04-02 3:04 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 3:53 ` Vital Khilko
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* Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-02 3:04 ` Vital Khilko
@ 2002-04-02 3:07 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 3:50 ` Vital Khilko
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* Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-02 3:07 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-02 3:50 ` Vital Khilko
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* Re: [mdk-re] OO vs SO
2002-04-02 3:04 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-02 3:53 ` Vital Khilko
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 22:33 ` Alexey Korotkov
@ 2002-04-02 7:47 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 21:03 ` Alexey Korotkov
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-01 22:07 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-01 22:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-02 7:51 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 21:25 ` Alexey Korotkov
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-02 0:10 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 2:54 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-02 7:54 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 21:10 ` Alexey Korotkov
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-02 2:54 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
@ 2002-04-02 8:13 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 14:29 ` [mdk-re] JT иливойна " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 9:28 ` [mdk-re] JT или война " Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 9:49 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-02 2:54 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 8:13 ` Alexey Morozov
@ 2002-04-02 9:28 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 11:02 ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-04-02 9:49 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
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From: Alexey Korotkov @ 2002-04-02 9:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mandrake-russian
On Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:21:16 +0400
Aleksey Novodvorsky <aen@logic.ru> wrote:
[...]
AN> Конечно. Но экономическая мощь -- цель, а не средство.
На мой взгляд, всё же -- средство, а не цель. Хотя -- для кого
как...
AN> Можно ли считать
AN> СССР 60-80х экономически мощным государством?
Вопрос не такой уж простой. И однозначного ответа на него, наверно,
нет.
AN> Был бы он такой, -- не развалился бы в одночасье, даже если принять все
AN> гипотезы о злых кознях внутри и снаружи.
Вообще-то это произошло не в одночасье, так же как и гибель
в 1917 г. Российской Империи. Тут внешне _выглядит_ как в
одночасье, но если бы не длительный подготовительный период,
не было бы такого быстрого, на невнимательный взгляд, развала.
[...]
AN> 11 сентября, Палестина, Чечня, Афган показывают, что сетевая структура
AN> может успешно противостоять иерархической при значительно меньших
AN> ресурсах.
Я вообще-то говорил о другом -- о противодействии Штатам в
их стремлении стать хозяевами мира. Ну вот, например, те же
события 11.09.2001 -- если даже отбросить все соображения
по поводу гнусности террора -- может ли БЛ оказать противодействие
США в этом их стремлении? По-моему -- нет.
[...]
AN> Конечно, биполярный мир проще и, наверное, стабильнее. Но он в прошлом
AN> безвозвратно.
Вот тут, наверно, не стоит высказываться столь категорично (про
безвозвратность). Могли ли те из нас, кому довелось жить при
советах, думать, скажем, лет 20 назад о том, что никакого СССР
(причём весьма скоро) не будет, КПСС не будет и т.д. Многим ли
такой "бред" мог прийти в голову? Так что, каким будет мир --
ещё не известно. Копии того, что было раньше, конечно, не состоится,
да это и не надо.
[...]
AN> >AN> Мир не вынесет двух Америк.
AN> >
AN> >Россия, слава Богу, никогда Америкой не была и не будет. А если
AN> >уж (временно) принять Вашу терминологию, то мир, скорее, не
AN> >вынесет _одной_ Америки.
AN> >
AN> У меня нет гипотез о возможной системе противовесов в современном мире,
AN> но победителей в нынешнем глобальном конфликте не будет.
По-моему такую систему может дать миру только Россия. Других
претендентов просто нет. И кто говорит о глобальном конфликте?
Тут ведь своего рода политическое айкидо: оценили соперника
и -- мирно разошлись.
[...]
AN> Русские филологи проделели титаническую работу по
AN> сохранению тюркских и финно-угорских языков. Сейчас же, один из
AN> декларируемых поводов перехода их на латиницу, -- отсутствие полной
AN> кириллицы на компьютерах и в сети.
Это -- именно повод. Политические игры. Один из ярких примеров таких
игр -- перевод молдавского на латиницу.
[...]
AN> Удмуртский язык может исчезнуть, что ужасно. А
AN> может взять алфавит у мадьяр, потерявши самобытность, но сохранившись.
Это никак не может помочь ему сохраниться, а будет лишь ещё
одним из примеров политических игр.
[...]
AN> >AN> Мне кажется, что вопрос сохранения языков -- наша общая забота.
AN> >
AN> >Ну, в определённой степени -- да. Хотя в основном это определяется
AN> >всё же тем, насколько сильно в народе стремление сохранять свой
AN> >язык и культуру (насильно ж не заставишь тех, кто к этому и не
AN> >стремится!). А вот государство _обязано_ делать так, чтобы те,
AN> >кто хочет -- могли.
AN> >
AN> Те люди, которые хотят -- не могут.
На самом деле всё не так уж плохо. При советах нас всех упорно
превращали в "советский народ", сейчас же явственны стремления
практически всех народов России к культурной автономии, что
вполне нормально (тут есть, правда, и другая сторона этих
процессов, когда в головах политических интриганов местного
пошиба прорастают сепаратистские идейки). Есть даже определённый
протекционизм этим стремлениям со стороны тутошних госструктур.
Вот Вам конкретные плоды этих процессов -- при советах многие
городские удмурты вообще не владели родным языком (в деревнях
другая проблема была -- плохое владение русским), некоторые,
владея, стеснялись на нём говорить; сейчас, по-моему, ни у кого
таких комплексов нет, и язык родной дети учат.
[...]
AN> Проще всего вводить квоты на нацпредставительство в органах власти.
Это -- сложный вопрос. И так -- плохо, и этак -- нехорошо.
Демократия порождает слишком много сложных проблем.
AN> Гораздо сложнее дать удмуртским детям кусочек Интернета на их, пока еще
AN> родном, языке.
Во многом это сложности экономического характера. У нас здесь --
очень бедное население, даже по стравнению с рядом соседних
регионов, про Москву уж не говорю. Тут проблемы -- не только
с Интернетом, в очереди на установку телефона люди стоят
десятилетиями.
AN> Пусть они знают удмуртский и русский, иначе чудовищная
AN> смесь наречий и блатного жаргона уничтожит все культуры.
Да. Деструктивные образования разного характера подпитываются,
в том числе, и маргиналами, потерявшими свой язык и культуру.
--
With best regards,
Alexey Korotkov
mailto:ziga@udm.ru
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2002-04-02 8:13 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 9:28 ` [mdk-re] JT или война " Alexey Korotkov
@ 2002-04-02 9:49 ` Maksim Otstavnov
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2002-04-02 9:28 ` [mdk-re] JT или война " Alexey Korotkov
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2002-04-02 0:10 ` Alexey Korotkov
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* [mdk-re] Re: JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO).
2002-04-01 20:29 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
@ 2002-04-02 13:30 ` Dmitri D. Sayakin
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2002-04-01 20:31 ` Re[4]: " Serge Skorokhodov
2002-04-01 20:42 ` Vladimir NOVIKOV
@ 2002-04-02 13:50 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-04-02 14:26 ` [mdk-re] rtf2LaTeX2e again (was: OO vs SO) Michael Shigorin
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2002-04-01 20:29 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-02 13:30 ` [mdk-re] " Dmitri D. Sayakin
@ 2002-04-02 13:51 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
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2002-04-02 13:59 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Artem Pastuchov
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT иливойна языков (fd. OO vsSO).
2002-04-02 8:13 ` Alexey Morozov
@ 2002-04-02 14:29 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
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2002-04-02 9:49 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
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2002-04-02 14:29 ` [mdk-re] JT иливойна " Aleksey Novodvorsky
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* Re: [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
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2002-04-02 7:51 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков " Alexey Morozov
@ 2002-04-02 21:25 ` Alexey Korotkov
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* [mdk-re] [JT!] Re: JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO).
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2002-04-01 13:37 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
2002-04-01 22:59 ` Michael Shigorin
2002-04-02 12:56 ` Alexander Bokovoy
2002-04-02 2:25 ` [mdk-re] " Vital Khilko
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2002-04-01 1:33 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vs SO) Вячеслав Диконов
2002-04-01 2:34 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-01 3:52 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-04-01 20:29 ` [mdk-re] " Vladimir NOVIKOV
2002-04-02 13:30 ` [mdk-re] " Dmitri D. Sayakin
2002-04-02 13:51 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-04-02 13:59 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Artem Pastuchov
2002-04-02 14:12 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-04-01 10:45 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-01 12:37 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 16:12 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
2002-04-01 16:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-01 17:33 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Yuri Borunov
2002-04-01 19:20 ` Maksim Otstavnov
2002-04-01 19:53 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 3:04 ` Vital Khilko
2002-04-02 3:07 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 3:50 ` Vital Khilko
2002-04-01 16:30 ` [mdk-re] " Alexander Bokovoy
2002-04-01 17:30 ` [mdk-re] " Yuri Borunov
2002-04-01 20:59 ` [mdk-re] " Alexey Morozov
2002-04-01 21:31 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-04-01 22:33 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 7:47 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 21:03 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-01 22:07 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-01 22:26 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 0:10 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 2:54 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 8:13 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 14:29 ` [mdk-re] JT иливойна " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 15:19 ` Michael Bykov
2002-04-02 17:59 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-04-02 9:28 ` [mdk-re] JT или война " Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 11:02 ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-04-02 11:11 ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-04-02 11:45 ` Michael Shigorin
2002-04-02 9:49 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
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2002-04-02 7:54 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков (fd. OO vsSO) Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 21:10 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-02 11:22 ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] JT ÉÌÉ ×ÏÊÎÁ ÑÚÙËÏ× " Serge Skorokhodov
2002-04-02 7:51 ` [mdk-re] JT или война языков " Alexey Morozov
2002-04-02 21:25 ` Alexey Korotkov
2002-04-04 13:33 ` [mdk-re] [JT!] " Michael Shigorin
2002-04-01 12:22 ` [mdk-re] JT èëè âîéíà ÿçûêîâ (fd. OO vs SO) Serge Skorokhodov
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