From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on sa.local.altlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1641493905; bh=/GtBfs+mt+9XAhY1i9oj5wcsigmya53MAoKZtuDBOZ0=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:References; b=JhyhAjluRbInMLa7JUynoGJtEBe9UxPqP8m/FhuvL+AdqL5/r3N9c24A3yP8R9hLI G7ZgbUImoAwgLOMhAU295YxqVxA3koX2IwQrW1/1/XxPNGCbwwX2NBi/9wwCORzIwE lvFnfHplC2Z6E0dehf68gasxabXUXMMqs/M8gksnhMmen72vYt8iVbPIdV4FopwxXg vbxZmtNoHfgworH0O7pvciX03R0l0RKjCchtqTCJMFaaAHdXMdyC2VmeDdcVt7l0SU X6k9qcdDRG1v2QgeVujuzHwLhyL9iX+6a2w5iCNwcW7mHLWyQ4Lgev3MBK1gOfD0xX /4lLl/LLoDdpw== Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 18:31:45 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "David" Message-ID: <2d5adade68517c91bfb196de7cf36582@disroot.org> To: "ALT Linux users (in English only)" In-Reply-To: <20220106105834.GC23056@imap.altlinux.org> References: <20220106105834.GC23056@imap.altlinux.org> <1e811f6950b6a148b95cc4d840da30cc@disroot.org> Subject: Re: [Comm-en] My review of ALT Linux GNUStep OS X-BeenThere: community-en@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: "ALT Linux users \(in English only\)" List-Id: "ALT Linux users \(in English only\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 18:31:50 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: Thank you, Michael, for all of your feedback!=20=20 I=20want to take some time and make a more detailed response, but right n= ow I have run and do some winter farm chores. Just quickly though, I wan= ted to mention that I've made a few adjustments to the review based on wh= at you've suggested here. Also, I have started with a quick update on th= e GNUStep Wiki page that I thought would be helpful to others and I'll co= ntinue to contribute what little wisdom I can learn as time goes on. :) Of course, please adjust/correct anything I've written there as you see f= it. David. January 6, 2022 4:58 AM, "Michael Shigorin" wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 05:23:17AM +0000, David wrote: >=20 >>=20I hope no-one minds, but I'd like to share a link to a recent >> blog post I did on my experience installing and using the ALT >> Linux GNUStep / WindowMaker build. >=20 >=20BTW it has its wiki page (both Russian and English): > http://en.altlinux.org/starterkits/gnustep > http://altlinux.org/starterkits/gnustep >=20 >=20Maybe we'd better update the links to p10 and review the memory > requirements (increasing CONFIG_NR_CPUS doesn't come for free, > unfortunately; maybe a lower-limit kernel flavour is due again > as it was with led-tc one for thin clients). >=20 >>=20If you're interested, the review can be found here: >> https://dbouley.vivaldi.net/2022/01/05/alt-linux >=20 >=20You're welcome, and I highly recomment your reviews to anyone -- > having enjoyed those back in 2.x days: > http://web.archive.org/web/20030503195650/http://www.virtualsky.net/alt= linuxreview.htm > http://web.archive.org/web/20040315025638/http://www.virtualsky.net/lin= uxoncd/compact-review.htm >=20 >=20The only suggestion I have is to rather link to http://getalt.org > as the easier "entrance" into ALT builds that should allow to > understand them at a glance instead of having a long walk > all over the wiki. >=20 >=20p10 is pretty stable but p9 is very stable indeed :-) > Both of these platforms are our stable branches: > http://en.altlinux.org/branches (I've updated the page > to state that p10 is the current stable one, sorry for > confusion). >=20 >=20There's one more thing to window managers: it's more realistic > to have your settings travel with you over years and decades, > changing hardware if required, by a simple "cp -a ... ~/GNUstep" > or so. >=20 >=20And regarding WindowMaker in particular, it does save some > screen estate, especially widescreen (or should I say lowscreen?) > that's rather suited for content consumption than for creation: > the "lack" of a horizontal panel and the typical vertical dock > leave more space for the applications. Still I tend to prefer > full-screen zero-distraction modes for my main apps, namely xterm > (Alt-Enter) and Firefox (F11) so that even wmclock doesn't "tick". >=20 >=20Regarding CUPS, yes, we could easily put that into any particular > starterkit or all of the desktop ones but it would add several > dozen megabytes (or is it several hundreds by now?) to each image > involved -- so those who want to have a quick look at e.g. > Cinnamon (we don't build a "proper" distro carrying it but it's > available and actively maintained in the repository) or IceWM > would have to pay more bandwidth. There have been seldom > requests or even frustrations regarding CUPS particularly > but I do approve that starterkits are aimed at those who will > prefer the hassle of "apt-get install cups" (and maybe spot > the printer-drivers-base metapackage either) to having it along > with the rest of kitchen-sink handed to them without asking. >=20 >=20Thanks for understanding it exactly -- if you come up with > any words that would help others, just write these down > on http://en.altlinux.org/starterkits yourself. >=20 >=20Regarding the font/locale(?) issue with Synaptic, please file it: > http://bugzilla.altlinux.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=3DSisyphus&component= =3Dsynaptic > ...stating how to reproduce (e.g. "grab this iso, install with > English language chosen, run Synaptic, do this and that, > see the weird glyphs on the screenshot attached"). >=20 >=20I hope that you actually use p9 and not Sisyphus as the latter > one is stable enough for developers and very experienced users > but it's definitely more of a moving/breaking target than p10, > can bring a frustration once or twice a year (like breaking > one's X11 setup, especially with nvidia_drv). >=20 >=20The GTK fonts issue is most likely the DPI-related one -- > some GNOME folks with likely Windows background have insisted > on breaking X server "so browser looks like in Windows", that > is, to nail artificial 96dpi down by default; was especially > "funny" since even Windows was taught the real DPI back then: > http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D41115 >=20 >=20Try figuring out your display's DPI (from the docs, online screen > DPI calculator site, or a ruler and a calculator of your choice) > and testing if restarting those apps after "xrandr --dpi 166" > (or whatever) helps; if it does, stick an executable script into > ~/.xsession.d/ or add "DPI=3DNNN" to /etc/sysconfig/xserver, > see also /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc >=20 >>=20My compliments to the ALT Dev Team for their work on this >> release. I'm enjoying it very much. >=20 >=20Glad to hear, thank you! >=20 >=20-- > ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin / http://altlinux.org > ------ http://opennet.ru / http://anna-news.info > _______________________________________________ > community-en mailing list > community-en@lists.altlinux.org > https://lists.altlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/community-en