Re: [Comm-en] new member asks for some help

Re: [Comm-en] new member asks for some help

[Michael Shigorin]

On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 11:37:16PM +0100, oui@mailoo.org wrote:
> I am new here and did download the i586 version for kde5 to install it.

Welcome :)

> I come from Debian and Debian derivates and absolutely not know distros based on rpm's (absolutely nothing!).

Partially softened by APT in ALT -- still it's a fork of pretty
old version well before apt(8) so back to apt-get and friends.

> I try to change because I will help owners of i586's don't to be isolate as Debian and other try to kill the i586's generations: They are probably billion's of old PC's and laptops in use permitting not more than that and poor or economically arm people will probably become a lot more arm if this happens... And I have not only one but a lot of PC's in use with very different equipements (if I renounce to use i586 software, I must renounce to use some of my PC's).

Browsers will kill it (are, in fact)... the uses for older
hardware that are still left mostly are better off with the
contemporary distributions (I tell that as someone who has
arranged a standalone 2008-style workstation for Kino as
IEEE1394-related stuff in both kernel and userspace has
significantly suffered with MiniDV demise and "new stack"
rather ignoring it than working with it; I've ended up
putting ALT Linux 4.1 Desktop with KDE3.5 there).

> I did also download regular-gnustep-sysv-20240103-i586.iso.

http://en.altlinux.org/starterkits/gnustep BTW :-)

> I prefer KDE5 and KDE5 app's (calligra, kde-connect, krita, kdenlive, rosegarden, mercartor, kwave). But I also love viewnior, mTpaint, jwm (only from time to time), didiwiki (it is the most efficient micro text processor, work else in non graphic mode in the commando line browsers like links etc.), osmo, mhtwaveedit, the classic stuff of Puppy linux (Barry Kauler, the creator of Puppy did about in year 2000 design an own graphic processor, eve, later eveweb, for Windows and is expert in good graphic stuff), plus, over that, grun, xpce4-appfinder, thunar, mplayer, xsane, gocr, gimagereader, xvidcap, swi-prolog for me and nted, scratch2, and ucblogo for children and youngs. And I read and write in all writing mode (Tamil, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Greek) using the map US INTL and https://input.king or directly using the right keyboard design (I have a real Korean Keyboard). Necessary are the fonts and good browser able to show that (my lovely browser were traditionally Seamonkey but in the last times it don't work any more good on some important sites like ebay, or KDE-forum. Konqueror and Falcon themselfs don't work at KDE-forum, it is really astonish...)!
> I am not certain I can find all that stuff in all distributions.

You can join ALT Linux Team and slowly get the things you need
into the repo in the shape you need; been there, done that
(but currently busy with Elbrus port rather than with new
packages).

> For this reason, I have questions:
>  how to
> - update ALT

# apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade

Note that p10 -> p11 upgrade won't suggest itself AFAICT,
and p11 is already available but still being prepared for
the actual 11.0 distros.

> - search packages

$ apt-cache search ...

or http://packages.altlinux.org

> - look which dependencies are MUST in ALT

apt will take care, and foolin' it is possible (with dummy
packages that would provide non-strict deps) but a hassle.

> - install package

# apt-get install ...

> - remove packages and, if possible, the dependencies not used by other app's

# apt-get remove ...

p10+ have autoremove IIRC -- with manually installed packages
(and those installed along with the system initially?)
marked as such.

> is a way available to install some *.deb's in ALT or some stuff from beyond linux from scratch?

There's alien(1) but it's a minor disaster, I thoroughly prefer
to create native packages -- most likely starting with the known
ones (http://repology.org is our friend in this department),
preferably (s)rpms but figuring out the not-so-obvious moments
from debian/rules, ebuilds or pkgbuilds happens either.

> I thank you for all help I will become!
> Kind regards

Welcome ;-)

-- 
Michael Shigorin
http://altlinux.org/elbrus