From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 13:58:34 +0300 From: Michael Shigorin To: community-en@lists.altlinux.org Message-ID: <20220106105834.GC23056@imap.altlinux.org> References: <1e811f6950b6a148b95cc4d840da30cc@disroot.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1e811f6950b6a148b95cc4d840da30cc@disroot.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Subject: Re: [Comm-en] My review of ALT Linux GNUStep OS X-BeenThere: community-en@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: "ALT Linux users \(in English only\)" List-Id: "ALT Linux users \(in English only\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 10:58:35 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 05:23:17AM +0000, David wrote: > I hope no-one minds, but I'd like to share a link to a recent > blog post I did on my experience installing and using the ALT > Linux GNUStep / WindowMaker build. BTW it has its wiki page (both Russian and English): http://en.altlinux.org/starterkits/gnustep http://altlinux.org/starterkits/gnustep Maybe we'd better update the links to p10 and review the memory requirements (increasing CONFIG_NR_CPUS doesn't come for free, unfortunately; maybe a lower-limit kernel flavour is due again as it was with led-tc one for thin clients). > If you're interested, the review can be found here: > https://dbouley.vivaldi.net/2022/01/05/alt-linux/ You're welcome, and I highly recomment your reviews to anyone -- having enjoyed those back in 2.x days: http://web.archive.org/web/20030503195650/http://www.virtualsky.net/altlinuxreview.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20040315025638/http://www.virtualsky.net/linuxoncd/compact-review.htm The only suggestion I have is to rather link to http://getalt.org as the easier "entrance" into ALT builds that should allow to understand them at a glance instead of having a long walk all over the wiki. p10 is pretty stable but p9 is very stable indeed :-) Both of these platforms are our stable branches: http://en.altlinux.org/branches (I've updated the page to state that p10 is the current stable one, sorry for confusion). There's one more thing to window managers: it's more realistic to have your settings travel with you over years and decades, changing hardware if required, by a simple "cp -a ... ~/GNUstep" or so. And regarding WindowMaker in particular, it does save some screen estate, especially widescreen (or should I say lowscreen?) that's rather suited for content consumption than for creation: the "lack" of a horizontal panel and the typical vertical dock leave more space for the applications. Still I tend to prefer full-screen zero-distraction modes for my main apps, namely xterm (Alt-Enter) and Firefox (F11) so that even wmclock doesn't "tick". Regarding CUPS, yes, we could easily put that into any particular starterkit or all of the desktop ones but it would add several dozen megabytes (or is it several hundreds by now?) to each image involved -- so those who want to have a quick look at e.g. Cinnamon (we don't build a "proper" distro carrying it but it's available and actively maintained in the repository) or IceWM would have to pay more bandwidth. There have been seldom requests or even frustrations regarding CUPS particularly but I do approve that starterkits are aimed at those who will prefer the hassle of "apt-get install cups" (and maybe spot the printer-drivers-base metapackage either) to having it along with the rest of kitchen-sink handed to them without asking. Thanks for understanding it exactly -- if you come up with any words that would help others, just write these down on http://en.altlinux.org/starterkits yourself. Regarding the font/locale(?) issue with Synaptic, please file it: http://bugzilla.altlinux.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Sisyphus&component=synaptic ...stating how to reproduce (e.g. "grab this iso, install with English language chosen, run Synaptic, do this and that, see the weird glyphs on the screenshot attached"). I hope that you actually use p9 and not Sisyphus as the latter one is stable enough for developers and very experienced users but it's definitely more of a moving/breaking target than p10, can bring a frustration once or twice a year (like breaking one's X11 setup, especially with nvidia_drv). The GTK fonts issue is most likely the DPI-related one -- some GNOME folks with likely Windows background have insisted on breaking X server "so browser looks like in Windows", that is, to nail artificial 96dpi down by default; was especially "funny" since even Windows was taught the real DPI back then: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41115 Try figuring out your display's DPI (from the docs, online screen DPI calculator site, or a ruler and a calculator of your choice) and testing if restarting those apps after "xrandr --dpi 166" (or whatever) helps; if it does, stick an executable script into ~/.xsession.d/ or add "DPI=NNN" to /etc/sysconfig/xserver, see also /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc > My compliments to the ALT Dev Team for their work on this > release. I'm enjoying it very much. Glad to hear, thank you! -- š---- WBR, Michael Shigorin / http://altlinux.org šš------ http://opennet.ru / http://anna-news.info