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From: Mikhail Gusarov <dottedmag@altlinux.org>
To: ALT Linux Team development discussions <devel@lists.altlinux.org>
Subject: Re: [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:16:10 +0600
Message-ID: <87eixlmosl.fsf@vertex.dottedmag.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090226111229.GA24214@wo.int.altlinux.org> (Dmitry V. Levin's message of "Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:12:29 +0300")

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Twas brillig at 14:12:29 26.02.2009 UTC+03 when ldv@altlinux.org did gyre and gimble:

 >> Ветками вопрошающие в backports пользоваться не хотят. Основные
 >> доводы:

 DVL> Не понимаю, они при этом хотят единый backports, или им просто
 DVL> нужен персональный автособиратор+автопубликатор?

Единый.

 >> 1. Не хочу git

 DVL> Если они не хотят gear, то им придётся ограничиться старыми
 DVL> технологиями.  Если они хотят двигаться вперёд, то им придётся
 DVL> освоить gear хотя бы в объёме
 DVL> /usr/share/doc/gear-1.5.*/QUICKSTART.ru.html

Они не хотят двигаться вперёд. Их всё устраивает и так.

 >> 2. Мне нужно только 4.0, а меня заставляют бэкпортить ещё и в 4.1 и 5.0

 DVL> Кто нам даст гарантию, что они не соберут в 4.0 такой пакет,
 DVL> который даже по версии-релизу нельзя будет обновить до более новых
 DVL> веток?  Нам эта гарантия важнее, чем все пакеты, которые они в в
 DVL> состоянии собрать.

Разумеется. Но попробуй объясни это в community@ или на форуме (где
тоже, оказывается, обитают некоторые мейнтейнеры).

Если принять это условие за аксиому, то можно просто сказать этим
товарищам "спасибо, свободны". Вероятно, это улучшит атмосферу, но при
этом порядочно уменьшит количество мейнтейнеров, в том числе и за счёт
тех, кто посчитает своё участие в Team слишком рискованным - следующее
изменение может "выбить" и их.

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2009-02-26 10:02 Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:13 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:14   ` [devel] Fwd: " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:15   ` [devel] " Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:29     ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 10:44       ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:46         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:56       ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:28   ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 10:35     ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:39       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 15:46         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 15:57           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 16:22             ` [devel] backports und branches (was: ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?) Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:42               ` [devel] backports und branches Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-26 16:54                 ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 17:30                   ` Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-26 17:34                     ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 20:57                   ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-26 21:28                     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 21:33                       ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-26 21:45                         ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 21:46                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 22:10                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 22:12                               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 23:24                           ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-27  1:38                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-28 21:15                   ` [devel] ACL in branches Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-28 21:20                     ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-28 21:47                       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-03-01  2:24                         ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-01 11:01                           ` Хихин Руслан
2009-03-01 12:36                             ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-02 19:20                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-02 19:36                             ` Хихин Руслан
2009-03-02 20:00                               ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-02 20:04                                 ` Хихин Руслан
2009-03-03 17:08                                 ` Michael Shigorin
2009-03-03 17:59                                   ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-21 11:13                                     ` Michael Shigorin
2009-03-02 21:44                             ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-03-03  5:00                               ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03  6:50                                 ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-03 15:16                                   ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03 16:13                                     ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-03 16:27                                       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03 18:21                                         ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-03 18:47                                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03 19:08                                             ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-04  5:41                                               ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-03-04  8:28                                               ` REAL
2009-03-04  8:41                                                 ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-03-04  9:59                                                 ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-04 10:29                                                   ` REAL
2009-03-04 11:02                                                     ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-04  6:43                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-04  6:55                                               ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-03-06 16:11                                         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-03 17:04                                     ` Michael Shigorin
2009-03-05 22:45                                       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-06 16:19                                     ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-06 17:20                                       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-07  9:17                                         ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-07 10:39                                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-07 18:02                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-07 21:12                                               ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-08 22:32                                                 ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09  0:47                                                   ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-09  8:09                                                     ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-10 19:47                                                       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 19:52                                                         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-10 20:08                                                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 20:27                                                             ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-11  6:37                                                               ` Алексей Шенцев
2009-03-11  6:49                                                                 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-16  7:21                                                             ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-11 19:53                                                         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-11 20:15                                                           ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-12  9:39                                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-12 10:30                                                               ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-12 10:33                                                                 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-12 21:39                                                                 ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-11 20:45                                                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-12 10:09                                                             ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-12 10:32                                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09 11:23                                                     ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09 11:44                                                       ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-09 11:56                                                         ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-03-09 13:38                                                         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09 13:51                                                           ` Led
2009-03-09 15:17                                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09 16:22                                                               ` Led
2009-03-10 19:42                                                     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 19:44                                                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-10 19:52                                                         ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 19:56                                                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-10 20:22                                                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 20:26                                                               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-11  8:57                                                               ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 12:47                                                                 ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 13:17                                                                   ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 13:57                                                                     ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 14:11                                                                       ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 14:29                                                                         ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 14:33                                                                           ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 20:40                                                                             ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 20:38                                                                           ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 21:08                                                                             ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 21:17                                                                               ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 21:42                                                                                 ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 21:59                                                                                 ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-12  4:30                                                                                   ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-12  9:46                                                                                     ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 13:19                                                                   ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 13:37                                                                     ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 14:08                                                                       ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 18:41                                                                 ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-12  9:34                                                                   ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-12  9:37                                                               ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-10 19:58                                                           ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-10 20:42                                                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 21:33                                                             ` Grigory Batalov
2009-03-10 21:50                                                             ` Led
2009-03-11 19:17                                                               ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-11 19:24                                                                 ` Led
2009-03-11 19:34                                                                   ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-11 20:08                                                                     ` Led
2009-03-12 22:00                                                                       ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-13  4:24                                                                   ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-10 19:25                                                   ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-11 19:51                                                     ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-07 12:57                                         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-07 18:31                                           ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-04-04  8:31                                           ` [devel] [JT] несрочно (was: ACL in branches) Michael Shigorin
2009-04-11 13:30                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-03 16:57                     ` [devel] ACL in branches Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 20:54               ` [devel] backports und branches (was: ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?) Led
2009-02-26 21:23                 ` [devel] backports und branches Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-27 19:21                   ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-27 19:28                     ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-27 20:19                     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-03-21 11:16                       ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:10           ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-26 16:16             ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 16:26               ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:28                 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 19:46               ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-26 20:02                 ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 20:04                   ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 20:15                     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 20:17                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 20:25                   ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27  5:25                   ` REAL
2009-02-27  6:08                     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-27  6:17                       ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27  6:58                         ` REAL
2009-02-27  6:53                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27  7:04                             ` REAL
2009-03-21 11:21                   ` [devel] о (не)нужности backports (was: ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?) Michael Shigorin
2009-02-27  5:23                 ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? REAL
2009-02-26 10:14 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:16   ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:29   ` Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 10:45     ` Timur Batyrshin
2009-02-26 10:30   ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 10:36   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 10:49     ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 10:56       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:01         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:06           ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 11:09             ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:28               ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:08           ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 11:12           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:16             ` Mikhail Gusarov [this message]
2009-02-26 11:26               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:33                 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27  1:09                   ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-27  4:58                   ` REAL
2009-02-26 11:37                 ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 11:41                   ` [devel] girar builder rebuild test Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:47                   ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 12:27                     ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 12:35                       ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 13:43                         ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 13:50                           ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 13:55                             ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 14:22                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 16:10                             ` [devel] задания и схемы совместной работы Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-27  1:24                               ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-27  1:08                 ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Денис Смирнов
2009-02-27  5:59                   ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27  6:09                   ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27  6:52                     ` Aleksey Avdeev
2009-02-26 11:24             ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 11:25               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:26             ` Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-26 11:05         ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 11:08           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:16           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:33             ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 11:34             ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-26 11:16         ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:18           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:30             ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 13:23               ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool
2009-02-26 15:50             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 15:48         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 10:57       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:09         ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 11:12           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:18         ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:20           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:34             ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:44               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:49                 ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:51                   ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:55                     ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:57                     ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-26 15:44                   ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 16:44                     ` [devel] пример: collectd Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:49                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 17:07                         ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 17:11                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 17:21                               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 19:41                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27  4:31         ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? REAL
2009-02-27  4:28           ` Led
2009-02-27  5:15             ` REAL
2009-02-26 10:57       ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:39   ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:47     ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool
2009-02-26 11:34       ` Grigory Batalov
2009-03-03  4:42         ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03  6:20           ` [devel] [JT] " Anton Farygin
2009-03-03  8:21             ` Grigory Batalov
2009-03-03  8:35               ` [devel] [OT] " Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-03  8:51                 ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-03 16:04                 ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 10:49     ` [devel] " Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 10:49     ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:21 ` Grigory Batalov
2009-02-26 10:22   ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:23     ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:29     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:30       ` [devel] Fwd: " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:31     ` [devel] " Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 10:34       ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 12:52       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2009-02-26 14:42         ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-27  5:02         ` REAL
2009-02-26 13:29     ` Андрей Черепанов
2009-02-26 15:31     ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 10:38   ` REAL
2009-02-26 10:35     ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:47       ` REAL
2009-02-26 10:45         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:35     ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 10:52       ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 10:56         ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2009-02-26 10:59         ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 11:27           ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:30             ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2009-02-26 11:40               ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:46                 ` [devel] gear docs Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:50                   ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:56                     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 12:04                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 12:06                         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 12:08                         ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:52                   ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:58                     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 12:05                       ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 12:07                         ` Slava Semushin
2009-02-26 12:08                         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 12:10                           ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 12:15                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 12:21                               ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 12:11                           ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-28 19:48                             ` Aleksey Avdeev
2009-02-26 12:08                         ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:52                 ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 11:58                   ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 12:12                     ` Timur Batyrshin
2009-02-26 12:15                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 15:41                 ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 11:32             ` Slava Semushin
2009-02-26 12:48             ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 13:26               ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 13:56                 ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 14:02                   ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 13:40         ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool
2009-02-28 18:14   ` Aleksey Avdeev
2009-02-28 18:22     ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 13:04 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2009-02-26 13:11   ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 16:05     ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:13       ` Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 16:29         ` [devel] [JT] бесплатные советы Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:17       ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Alexey Gladkov
2009-02-26 18:06       ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 19:36 ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-28 17:58   ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-28 18:15     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-28 18:28       ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-28 18:30         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-28 18:47         ` Led
2009-02-28 18:51           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-28 19:09       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-28 19:13         ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-28 19:40           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-01 19:24             ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-28 19:14         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-28 22:00       ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-28 18:32     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-28 18:49       ` [devel] смысл (was: ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?) Michael Shigorin
2009-02-27  8:30 ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Stanislav Ievlev
2009-02-27 10:23   ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27 17:44   ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-27 18:09     ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27 18:10       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27 18:22         ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27 18:42     ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool
2009-02-27 18:49       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27 20:51         ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool

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