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From: Michael Shigorin <mike@osdn.org.ua>
To: ALT Linux Team development discussions <devel@lists.altlinux.org>
Subject: [devel] цели проектов
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:05:05 +0300
Message-ID: <20100921160505.GQ2005@osdn.org.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinuYE9k7wj13E67jXOsO_59MBE9R-G9DsCTnVgj@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 06:49:29PM +0300, Victor Forsiuk wrote:
> > Bleeding edge - это федора.
> это давно уже не так.

Не совсем:

"The Fedora 14 and Ubuntu 10.10 release cycle is particularly
pronounced in this regard, with Ubuntu's focus largely on
refining improvements from 10.04 and Fedora introducing major
changes to the infrastructure."

"Fedora's feature list largely consists of infrastructure
improvements and developer-oriented updates."

-- http://lwn.net/Articles/403543/

И кстати,

"The Fedora project is built in a different way; being run by a
chain of partly-elected committees is great for openness and
transparency and defending community values, but it does lose the
benefits of focus and swiftness that come from having one person
in charge and defining the project's scope and vision."

-- http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/09/02/on-updates-and-user-experiences-and-so-forth/

> > У Сизифа такой задачи, вроде как, нет.
> А какая задача есть? Может не стоит прятаться за эвфемизмами?
> Есть проблема, ее нужно решать.

Постановку целей вряд ли получится осмысленно решать до зимы
(выпуск 6.0/{iso,branch} и выдохнуть после этого).

Насколько понимаю, в ближайшие месяцы вариантов развития событий
по части ООО (что прямо влияет на возможность и объём гарантий,
которые можно делать по части разработки и поддержки) -- это
тоже меня наводит на мысль о том, что _сейчас_ пытаться сгоряча
что-то сказать о целях проекта не следует, но подумать об этом
и за следующий год, а в идеале за зиму -- сформулировать наконец
хотя бы первое приближение.

-- 
 ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike@altlinux.ru>
  ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-21 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-10  4:49 [devel] sisyphus cleanup ? Anton Farygin
2010-09-10  4:54 ` Slava Semushin
2010-09-10  7:12   ` Anton Farygin
2010-09-10  8:09 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2010-09-10  8:14   ` Andrew Clark
2010-09-10  8:19     ` Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-10  8:20   ` Anton Farygin
2010-09-10 12:12 ` [devel] sisyphus cleanup Michael Shigorin
2010-09-11  5:53   ` REAL
2010-09-13 12:37   ` Victor Forsiuk
2010-09-14  9:05     ` Michael Shigorin
2010-09-14 13:05       ` Victor Forsiuk
2010-09-14 13:06         ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2010-09-14 13:43           ` Victor Forsiuk
2010-09-14 13:47             ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2010-09-14 13:50               ` Victor Forsiuk
2010-09-14 13:57                 ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2010-09-14 14:06                   ` Victor Forsiuk
2010-09-14 14:12                     ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2010-09-14 14:14                       ` Victor Forsiuk
2010-09-14 14:20                         ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2010-09-15  3:58             ` REAL
2010-09-15  6:21             ` Timur Batyrshin
2010-09-15 12:50               ` Michael Shigorin
2010-10-07 14:39                 ` Timur Batyrshin
2010-09-14 16:45     ` Alexey Voinov
2010-09-14 11:11   ` Sergey Kurakin
2010-09-14 13:42     ` Michael Shigorin
2010-09-19 16:21 ` [devel] sisyphus cleanup ? Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-19 21:00   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-19 21:11     ` Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-20  3:37       ` Slava Semushin
2010-09-20 11:12         ` [devel] altlinux policy Michael Shigorin
2010-09-20 11:36         ` [devel] sisyphus cleanup ? Aleksey Novodvorsky
2010-09-20 12:46           ` Anton Farygin
2010-09-20 17:39           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21  9:13             ` Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-21  9:21               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21  9:51                 ` Anton Farygin
2010-09-21  8:58                   ` REAL
2010-09-21  9:57                   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21 10:16                     ` Anton Farygin
2010-09-21 10:17                       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21 13:45                         ` Alexey Shabalin
2010-09-21 13:49                           ` Michael Shigorin
2010-09-21 10:01                 ` Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-21 10:16                   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21 10:30                     ` Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-21 10:57                       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21 11:15                         ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2010-09-21 12:16                           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21 12:17                             ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2010-09-21 12:20                               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21 13:41                             ` [devel] ответы на вопросы Michael Shigorin
2010-09-21 11:36                         ` [devel] sisyphus cleanup ? Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-21 12:15                           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21 12:38                             ` Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-21 12:56                               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21 13:00                                 ` Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-21 13:05                                   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-21 13:19                                     ` Sergey Y. Afonin
2010-09-22  4:15                                       ` Afanasov Dmitry
2010-09-22  7:06                                         ` Sergey Y. Afonin
2010-09-21 15:11                                     ` sbolshakov
2010-09-21 14:08                                       ` Андрей Черепанов
2010-09-21 14:11                                         ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2010-09-21 14:08                                       ` Sergey Y. Afonin
2010-09-21 15:29                                           ` Alexey I. Froloff
2010-09-22  4:55                                           ` REAL
2010-09-22  9:34                                             ` Michael Shigorin
2010-09-22  8:45                                               ` REAL
2010-09-22  9:46                                               ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2010-09-22 10:22                                                 ` Michael Shigorin
2010-09-22 11:31                                               ` Sergey Y. Afonin
2010-09-21 14:08                                       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2010-09-21 16:05                                           ` Michael Shigorin [this message]
2010-09-21 14:11                                       ` Alexey Gladkov
2010-09-21 15:34                                           ` Alexey Gladkov
2010-09-22  4:59                                             ` REAL
2010-09-22  8:42                                               ` [devel] make-3.82 Dmitry V. Levin
2010-10-19 14:54                                       ` [devel] sisyphus cleanup ? Dmitry V. Levin
2010-10-21  2:20                                           ` REAL
2010-09-21 12:24                           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2010-09-22 10:50                     ` Konstantin Pavlov
2010-09-21 17:56             ` Денис Смирнов
2010-09-21 18:05             ` Igor Zubkov
2010-09-22  6:40               ` Андрей Черепанов
2010-09-21 10:31   ` Dmitry V. Levin

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