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From: Timur Batyrshin <batyrshin@ieml.ru>
To: devel@lists.altlinux.org
Subject: Re: [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:45:51 +0300
Message-ID: <20090226134551.051aa141@batyrshin.kzn.ieml.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090226102920.GA13908@altlinux.org>

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:29:20 +0300
Alexey I. Froloff wrote:

> * Mikhail Gusarov <dottedmag@> [090226 13:16]:
> >  IV> 4) Надо возродить backports.
> > Давайте. Это единственный разумный вывод из всего.
> Зачем?  Основная идея backports - отсутствие
> дистрибутивно-бранчевых ограничений на помещение пакетов в
> репозитарий.  Это самая настоящая тупиковая ветвь эволюции, когда
> переход branchN+backports -> branch(N+1) становится физически
> невозможен.

Может сделать, чтобы непрошедшие проверку версий пакеты тем не менее
все-таки архивировались (как вариант -- отдельной командой), при этом,
автоматически перекладывать все собранные пакеты из всех тасков
мантейнера в отдельный персональный репозиторий?

В этом случае у каждого мантейнера будет свой backports (а точнее,
несколько -- по одному на бранч), подключая который конечный
пользователь с большей вероятностью будет понимать причину
возникновения проблем при переезде с него на другой бранч.

С одной стороны, это позволит мантейнерам собирать пакеты в старые
бранчи без предварительной сборки в более свежие, с другой -- не
разломается система переездов на новые бранчи в официальных
репозиториях.

А централизованный backports -- не совсем хорошо, т.к. все что
централизовано автоматически воспринимается надежным, если об этом
отдельно не задумываться. Хоть ты десять раз напиши красными буквами,
что репозиторий нестабильный все равно найдутся те, кто на это не
обратит внимание -- периодические вопли "случайно" обновившихся с
сизифа яркий тому пример.

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2009-02-26 10:02 Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:13 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:14   ` [devel] Fwd: " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:15   ` [devel] " Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:29     ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 10:44       ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:46         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:56       ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:28   ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 10:35     ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:39       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 15:46         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 15:57           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 16:22             ` [devel] backports und branches (was: ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?) Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:42               ` [devel] backports und branches Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-26 16:54                 ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 17:30                   ` Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-26 17:34                     ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 20:57                   ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-26 21:28                     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 21:33                       ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-26 21:45                         ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 21:46                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 22:10                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 22:12                               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 23:24                           ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-27  1:38                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-28 21:15                   ` [devel] ACL in branches Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-28 21:20                     ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-28 21:47                       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-03-01  2:24                         ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-01 11:01                           ` Хихин Руслан
2009-03-01 12:36                             ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-02 19:20                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-02 19:36                             ` Хихин Руслан
2009-03-02 20:00                               ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-02 20:04                                 ` Хихин Руслан
2009-03-03 17:08                                 ` Michael Shigorin
2009-03-03 17:59                                   ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-21 11:13                                     ` Michael Shigorin
2009-03-02 21:44                             ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-03-03  5:00                               ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03  6:50                                 ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-03 15:16                                   ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03 16:13                                     ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-03 16:27                                       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03 18:21                                         ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-03 18:47                                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03 19:08                                             ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-04  5:41                                               ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-03-04  8:28                                               ` REAL
2009-03-04  8:41                                                 ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-03-04  9:59                                                 ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-04 10:29                                                   ` REAL
2009-03-04 11:02                                                     ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-04  6:43                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-04  6:55                                               ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-03-06 16:11                                         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-03 17:04                                     ` Michael Shigorin
2009-03-05 22:45                                       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-06 16:19                                     ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-06 17:20                                       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-07  9:17                                         ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-07 10:39                                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-07 18:02                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-07 21:12                                               ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-08 22:32                                                 ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09  0:47                                                   ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-09  8:09                                                     ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-10 19:47                                                       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 19:52                                                         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-10 20:08                                                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 20:27                                                             ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-11  6:37                                                               ` Алексей Шенцев
2009-03-11  6:49                                                                 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-16  7:21                                                             ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-11 19:53                                                         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-11 20:15                                                           ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-12  9:39                                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-12 10:30                                                               ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-12 10:33                                                                 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-12 21:39                                                                 ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-11 20:45                                                           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-12 10:09                                                             ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-12 10:32                                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09 11:23                                                     ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09 11:44                                                       ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-09 11:56                                                         ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-03-09 13:38                                                         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09 13:51                                                           ` Led
2009-03-09 15:17                                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-09 16:22                                                               ` Led
2009-03-10 19:42                                                     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 19:44                                                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-10 19:52                                                         ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 19:56                                                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-10 20:22                                                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 20:26                                                               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-03-11  8:57                                                               ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 12:47                                                                 ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 13:17                                                                   ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 13:57                                                                     ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 14:11                                                                       ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 14:29                                                                         ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 14:33                                                                           ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 20:40                                                                             ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 20:38                                                                           ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 21:08                                                                             ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 21:17                                                                               ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-11 21:42                                                                                 ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 21:59                                                                                 ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-12  4:30                                                                                   ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-12  9:46                                                                                     ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 13:19                                                                   ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 13:37                                                                     ` Yuri N. Sedunov
2009-03-11 14:08                                                                       ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-11 18:41                                                                 ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-12  9:34                                                                   ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-12  9:37                                                               ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-10 19:58                                                           ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-10 20:42                                                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-10 21:33                                                             ` Grigory Batalov
2009-03-10 21:50                                                             ` Led
2009-03-11 19:17                                                               ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-11 19:24                                                                 ` Led
2009-03-11 19:34                                                                   ` Dmitriy M. Maslennikov
2009-03-11 20:08                                                                     ` Led
2009-03-12 22:00                                                                       ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-13  4:24                                                                   ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-10 19:25                                                   ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-11 19:51                                                     ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-07 12:57                                         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-07 18:31                                           ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-04-04  8:31                                           ` [devel] [JT] несрочно (was: ACL in branches) Michael Shigorin
2009-04-11 13:30                                             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-03-03 16:57                     ` [devel] ACL in branches Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 20:54               ` [devel] backports und branches (was: ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?) Led
2009-02-26 21:23                 ` [devel] backports und branches Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-27 19:21                   ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-27 19:28                     ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-27 20:19                     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-03-21 11:16                       ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:10           ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-26 16:16             ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 16:26               ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:28                 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 19:46               ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-26 20:02                 ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 20:04                   ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 20:15                     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 20:17                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 20:25                   ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27  5:25                   ` REAL
2009-02-27  6:08                     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-27  6:17                       ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27  6:58                         ` REAL
2009-02-27  6:53                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27  7:04                             ` REAL
2009-03-21 11:21                   ` [devel] о (не)нужности backports (was: ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?) Michael Shigorin
2009-02-27  5:23                 ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? REAL
2009-02-26 10:14 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:16   ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:29   ` Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 10:45     ` Timur Batyrshin [this message]
2009-02-26 10:30   ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 10:36   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 10:49     ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 10:56       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:01         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:06           ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 11:09             ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:28               ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:08           ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 11:12           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:16             ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:26               ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:33                 ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27  1:09                   ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-27  4:58                   ` REAL
2009-02-26 11:37                 ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 11:41                   ` [devel] girar builder rebuild test Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:47                   ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 12:27                     ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 12:35                       ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 13:43                         ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 13:50                           ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 13:55                             ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 14:22                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 16:10                             ` [devel] задания и схемы совместной работы Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-27  1:24                               ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-27  1:08                 ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Денис Смирнов
2009-02-27  5:59                   ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27  6:09                   ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27  6:52                     ` Aleksey Avdeev
2009-02-26 11:24             ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 11:25               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:26             ` Sergey Bolshakov
2009-02-26 11:05         ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 11:08           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:16           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:33             ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 11:34             ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-26 11:16         ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:18           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:30             ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 13:23               ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool
2009-02-26 15:50             ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 15:48         ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 10:57       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:09         ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 11:12           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:18         ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:20           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:34             ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:44               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:49                 ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:51                   ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:55                     ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:57                     ` Alexey Rusakov
2009-02-26 15:44                   ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 16:44                     ` [devel] пример: collectd Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:49                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 17:07                         ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 17:11                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 17:21                               ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 19:41                           ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27  4:31         ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? REAL
2009-02-27  4:28           ` Led
2009-02-27  5:15             ` REAL
2009-02-26 10:57       ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:39   ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 10:47     ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool
2009-02-26 11:34       ` Grigory Batalov
2009-03-03  4:42         ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-03  6:20           ` [devel] [JT] " Anton Farygin
2009-03-03  8:21             ` Grigory Batalov
2009-03-03  8:35               ` [devel] [OT] " Alexey Rusakov
2009-03-03  8:51                 ` Anton Farygin
2009-03-03 16:04                 ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 10:49     ` [devel] " Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 10:49     ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:21 ` Grigory Batalov
2009-02-26 10:22   ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:23     ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:29     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:30       ` [devel] Fwd: " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 10:31     ` [devel] " Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 10:34       ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-26 12:52       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2009-02-26 14:42         ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-27  5:02         ` REAL
2009-02-26 13:29     ` Андрей Черепанов
2009-02-26 15:31     ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 10:38   ` REAL
2009-02-26 10:35     ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:47       ` REAL
2009-02-26 10:45         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 10:35     ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 10:52       ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 10:56         ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2009-02-26 10:59         ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 11:27           ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:30             ` Andrey Rahmatullin
2009-02-26 11:40               ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:46                 ` [devel] gear docs Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:50                   ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 11:56                     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 12:04                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 12:06                         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 12:08                         ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:52                   ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 11:58                     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 12:05                       ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 12:07                         ` Slava Semushin
2009-02-26 12:08                         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 12:10                           ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 12:15                             ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-26 12:21                               ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-26 12:11                           ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-28 19:48                             ` Aleksey Avdeev
2009-02-26 12:08                         ` Dmitry V. Levin
2009-02-26 11:52                 ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 11:58                   ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 12:12                     ` Timur Batyrshin
2009-02-26 12:15                       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-26 15:41                 ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-26 11:32             ` Slava Semushin
2009-02-26 12:48             ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 13:26               ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 13:56                 ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 14:02                   ` Eugene Ostapets
2009-02-26 13:40         ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool
2009-02-28 18:14   ` Aleksey Avdeev
2009-02-28 18:22     ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 13:04 ` Afanasov Dmitry
2009-02-26 13:11   ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 16:05     ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:13       ` Alexey I. Froloff
2009-02-26 16:29         ` [devel] [JT] бесплатные советы Michael Shigorin
2009-02-26 16:17       ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Alexey Gladkov
2009-02-26 18:06       ` Anton Farygin
2009-02-26 19:36 ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-28 17:58   ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-28 18:15     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-28 18:28       ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-28 18:30         ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-28 18:47         ` Led
2009-02-28 18:51           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-28 19:09       ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-28 19:13         ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-28 19:40           ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-03-01 19:24             ` Michael Shigorin
2009-02-28 19:14         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2009-02-28 22:00       ` Денис Смирнов
2009-02-28 18:32     ` Alexey Tourbin
2009-02-28 18:49       ` [devel] смысл (was: ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort?) Michael Shigorin
2009-02-27  8:30 ` [devel] ALT: Liberte, egalite, fraternite ou la Mort? Stanislav Ievlev
2009-02-27 10:23   ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27 17:44   ` Igor Vlasenko
2009-02-27 18:09     ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27 18:10       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27 18:22         ` Evgeny Sinelnikov
2009-02-27 18:42     ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool
2009-02-27 18:49       ` Mikhail Gusarov
2009-02-27 20:51         ` Motsyo Gennadi aka Drool

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