From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3BE7F26B.4000108@altlinux.ru> From: Anton Farygin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011016 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: devel@altlinux.ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [devel] contrib? Sender: devel-admin@linux.iplabs.ru Errors-To: devel-admin@linux.iplabs.ru X-BeenThere: devel@linux.iplabs.ru X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: devel@linux.iplabs.ru List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: ALT Linux Team Developers mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:23:39 +0300 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:23:39 +0300 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: Господа, есть некоторые пакеты, состояние которых крайне нестабильно. Но некоторыми возможностями из них хотелось бы пользоваться. Включать их в Sisyphus я не стал бы. Может быть сделать contrib? И еще - не пора ли убирать из пути к бинарным пакетам слово Mandrake? там же уже от него ничего не осталось ;-))) Rgds Rider -- Rider \n / ___ \ | |_ | | | +70952039698 \n ( / \ )(____)(_) | LRN Team \n |~~~LINUX TEAM~~~| | \n -------------------------------------------------------------------\n "; ?> _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@linux.iplabs.ru http://www.logic.ru/mailman/listinfo/devel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Aleksey Novodvorsky To: devel@linux.iplabs.ru Subject: Re: [devel] contrib? Message-Id: <20011106203928.35375ed5.aen@altlinux.ru> In-Reply-To: <3BE7F26B.4000108@altlinux.ru> References: <3BE7F26B.4000108@altlinux.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.65cvs7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-mandrake-linux) Organization: ALT Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: devel-admin@linux.iplabs.ru Errors-To: devel-admin@linux.iplabs.ru X-BeenThere: devel@linux.iplabs.ru X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: devel@linux.iplabs.ru List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: ALT Linux Team Developers mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:39:28 +0300 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:39:28 +0300 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:23:39 +0300 Anton Farygin wrote: > Господа, есть некоторые пакеты, состояние которых крайне > нестабильно. > Но некоторыми возможностями из них хотелось бы пользоваться. > Включать их в Sisyphus я не стал бы. Перечень, pls. > > Может быть сделать contrib? policy ? > > И еще - не пора ли убирать из пути к бинарным пакетам слово > Mandrake? > там же уже от него ничего не осталось ;-))) Это завязано на инсталятор и всякие urpmi. Rgrds, AEN _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@linux.iplabs.ru http://www.logic.ru/mailman/listinfo/devel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Shigorin To: devel@altlinux.ru Subject: Re: [devel] contrib? Message-ID: <20011107212807.I13939@lic145.kiev.ua> Mail-Followup-To: devel@altlinux.ru References: <3BE7F26B.4000108@altlinux.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+ZmrHH5cGjskQnY1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3BE7F26B.4000108@altlinux.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: devel-admin@linux.iplabs.ru Errors-To: devel-admin@linux.iplabs.ru X-BeenThere: devel@linux.iplabs.ru X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: devel@linux.iplabs.ru List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: ALT Linux Team Developers mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:28:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:28:07 +0200 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --+ZmrHH5cGjskQnY1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 05:23:39PM +0300, Anton Farygin wrote: > Может быть сделать contrib? unsupported? -- ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin ------ http://visa.chem.univ.kiev.ua/~mike/ --+ZmrHH5cGjskQnY1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE76YtHbsPDprYMm3IRAmmAAJsGs6cDET7rcyV3oftRIWw3f/lbfgCgj49v ZJkIofPm5GfrA3O43BkMSrk= =9H9j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+ZmrHH5cGjskQnY1-- _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list Devel@linux.iplabs.ru http://www.logic.ru/mailman/listinfo/devel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on sa.int.altlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 From: Mikhail Gusarov To: ALT Linux Team development discussions References: <777d80610802171202v57ea98eekeda4628da406b2b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:10:25 +0600 In-Reply-To: <777d80610802171202v57ea98eekeda4628da406b2b6@mail.gmail.com> (Aleksey Novodvorsky's message of "Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:02:24 +0300") Message-ID: <87fxvrcpji.fsf@frontier.dottedmag.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; 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charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <777d80610802171202v57ea98eekeda4628da406b2b6@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: [devel] =?koi8-r?b?Y29udHJpYiDJzMkg0M/OydbFzsnFINDMwc7LyQ==?= X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Id: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:18:04 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 11:02:24PM +0300, Aleksey Novodvorsky wrote: > > Может иметь смысл разделять main, где качество держать на > > предельно возможной разумными средствами планке (возможно, > > даже чуть выше, чем сейчас выбирается для всего сизифа). > > И contrib, где планка может и должна быть ниже. > Давайте сформулируем задачку не под заранее придуманное решение. Решение-то придумывалось не ради "как у других", а пытаясь свести в голове те проблемы, которые наблюдаются. Хотя действительно плохо предлагать что-либо, не формулируя тут же проблему. > Писать идеальные спеки, не понимая до конца зачем это нужно, -- > не слишком приятная задача. Как нам сохранить и даже повысить > качество, не отпугивая людей? Хе, тут ещё и цепные эффекты есть: пришли люди; насобирали софта; (сборка развалилась | долго не выходило дистрибутивов); люди ушли, пакеты плавно укатились в orphaned или легли дополнительной нагрузкой на тех, кто уже начал их использовать; заваленные багами и пакетами люди работают уже неэффективно; начинаются проблемы с существенными пакетами; долго не выходит очередной дистрибутив... Потому и предлагаю иметь возможность снять напряжение там, где оно реально не нужно. Например, я _за_ --as-needed по умолчанию в сизифе (особенно видя, как оно помогает даже видимо десктопу быть легче по памяти), но поскольку решаемая проблема обычно не является критической, а решение зачастую нетривиально для неспециалиста -- для многих пакетов это неоправданная стенка. Повторюсь, опровергать это (привет, raorn!) можно тогда, когда есть достаточно технического и учительского таланта в одной упаковке с огромным терпением -- чтобы помогать и учить, учить и помогать... У нас-то оно так и получается, но последнее время некоторые помогающие порой просто звереют. Зачем их до такого доводить? > Идеальные спеки и полная пересобираемость нужны для упрощения > разработки решений, которые принято называть дистрибутивами. > Мы хорошо продвинулись на этом пути, хоть и недостаточно. Между > тем, возможность создать свое дистрибутивное решение, -- > отличный стимул. Угу. > Мне кажется, что нам важно разрабатывать и документировать > именно процедуру создания дистрибутивов и проверки их > консистентности (хотя бы простой пересборкой). Мне вот whitelabeling кажется тут критичным. > Этим мы привлечем гораздо больше людей, чем просто сборкой > пакетов для Сизифа как основы решений нескольких фирм. ...иначе потонем в форках профилей. Кстати, есть желающие завтра поснимать меня с ручника по части mkimage и make? На сегодня -- огромное спасибо legion@, boyarsh@, led@ и Victor Sovetov. -- ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on sa.int.altlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:18:40 +0200 From: Michael Shigorin To: ALT Linux Team development discussions Message-ID: <20080217201840.GQ3895@osdn.org.ua> Mail-Followup-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions References: <777d80610802171202v57ea98eekeda4628da406b2b6@mail.gmail.com> <87fxvrcpji.fsf@frontier.dottedmag.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87fxvrcpji.fsf@frontier.dottedmag.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: [devel] =?koi8-r?b?Y29udHJpYiDJzMkg0M/OydbFzsnFINDMwc7LyQ==?= X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Id: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:18:44 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 02:10:25AM +0600, Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > Типичный сисадмин или разработчик в мелкой конторке - вполне > себе пример таких людей. Именно такие люди могут поддержать тот > самый вал из 90% пакетов, которые не требуют особых знаний. +1 -- ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on sa.int.altlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 Message-ID: <777d80610802171226i6233427dv700b1eca1d6d809d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:26:53 +0300 From: "Aleksey Novodvorsky" To: "ALT Linux Team development discussions" In-Reply-To: <20080217201800.GP3895@osdn.org.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <777d80610802171202v57ea98eekeda4628da406b2b6@mail.gmail.com> <20080217201800.GP3895@osdn.org.ua> Subject: Re: [devel] =?utf-8?b?Y29udHJpYiDQuNC70Lgg0L/QvtC90LjQttC10L3QuNC1?= =?utf-8?b?INC/0LvQsNC90LrQuA==?= X-BeenThere: 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charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802181003.49915.lav@altlinux.ru> Subject: Re: [devel] =?koi8-r?b?Y29udHJpYiDJzMkg0M/OydbFzsnFINDMwc7LyQ==?= X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Id: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:03:54 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On 18 февраля 2008, Led wrote: > Sunday, 17 February 2008 23:14:36 Alexey I. Froloff написав: > > * Led [080217 23:36]: > > > Если любой пакет можно будет собирать легко, посмотрев > > > "шаблон на вики", то сборку пакетов можно будет поручить > > > роботу. > > > > Этот робот называется etersoft-build-utils. Мне > > рассказывали как он работает под чутким руководством Виталия > > Липатова. > > Я, почему-то, наивно считал, что получение спека сос всеми > необходимыми патчами - это тоже относится к "сборке". Мне кажется, вы обсуждаете проблемы "кривого апстрима". Поскольку нормальные проекты на autotools отлично собираются на шаблонном спеке без всяких патчей. Да, нужно вставить Description и почётче расписать %files, чтобы были все нужные каталоги не было лишних. P.S. А для получения спека вполне можно обратится к PLD/Mandriva/Fedora, сделав потом для него $ rpmcs пакет.spec :) -- С уважением, Виталий Липатов Санкт-Петербург GNU! ALT Linux Team! WINE! LaTeX! LyX! http://freesource.info From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on sa.int.altlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 From: Led To: ALT Linux Team development discussions Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:59:59 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <777d80610802171202v57ea98eekeda4628da406b2b6@mail.gmail.com> <200802180029.25330.ledest@gmail.com> <200802181003.49915.lav@altlinux.ru> In-Reply-To: <200802181003.49915.lav@altlinux.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802181059.59200.ledest@gmail.com> X-Volia-Original-IP: 77.122.118.134 Subject: Re: [devel] =?koi8-r?b?Y29udHJpYiDJzMkg0M/OydbFzsnFINDMwc7LyQ==?= X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Id: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:58:58 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: TW9uZGF5LCAxOCBGZWJydWFyeSAyMDA4IDA5OjAzOjQ5IFZpdGFseSBMaXBhdG92IM7B0MnTwdc6 Cj4gT24gMTggxsXX0sHM0SAyMDA4LCBMZWQgd3JvdGU6Cj4gPiBTdW5kYXksIDE3IEZlYnJ1YXJ5 IDIwMDggMjM6MTQ6MzYgQWxleGV5IEkuIEZyb2xvZmYgzsHQydPB1zoKPiA+ID4gKiBMZWQgPGxl ZGVzdEA+IFswODAyMTcgMjM6MzZdOgo+ID4gPiA+IOXTzMkgzMDCz8og0MHLxdQgzc/Wzs8gwtXE xdQg08/CydLB1NggzMXHy88sINDP083P1NLF1wo+ID4gPiA+ICLbwcLMz84gzsEg18nLySIsINTP INPCz9LL1SDQwcvF1M/XIM3P1s7PIMLVxMXUINDP0tXeydTYCj4gPiA+ID4g0s/Cz9TVLgo+ID4g Pgo+ID4gPiD81M/UINLPws/UIM7B2tnXwcXU09EgZXRlcnNvZnQtYnVpbGQtdXRpbHMuICDtzsUK PiA+ID4g0sHT08vB2tnXwczJIMvByyDPziDSwcLP1MHF1CDQz8Qg3tXUy8nNINLVy8/Xz8TT1NfP zSD3ydTBzMnRCj4gPiA+IOzJ0MHUz9fBLgo+ID4KPiA+IPEsINDP3sXN1S3UzywgzsHJ187PINPe ydTBzCwg3tTPINDPzNXexc7JxSDT0MXLwSDTz9Mg19PFzckKPiA+IM7Fz8LIz8TJzdnNySDQwdTe wc3JIC0g3NTPINTP1sUgz9TOz9PJ1NPRIMsgItPCz9LLxSIuCj4KPiDtzsUgy8HWxdTT0Swg19kg z8LT1dbEwcXUxSDQ0s/CzMXN2SAiy9LJ18/HzyDB0NPU0snNwSIuCgrxIM/C09XWxMHAINDSz8LM xc3ZINDBy8XUz9csIMvP1M/S2cUg0SDX2cLSwcwg08XCxSDEzNEg08LP0svJIM7FINDPIArQ0snO w8nQ1SAizsXL0snXz8ogwdDT1NLJzc7ZyiBhdXRvdG9vbHMiLgoKPiDwz9PLz8zYy9UgCj4gzs/S zcHM2M7ZxSDQ0s/Fy9TZIM7BIGF1dG90b29scyDP1MzJ3s7PINPPwsnSwcDU09EgzsEg28HCzM/O zs/NCj4g09DFy8UgwsXaINfT0cvJyCDQwdTexcouIOTBLCDO1dbOzyDX09TB18nU2CBEZXNjcmlw dGlvbiDJCj4g0M/eo9TexSDSwdPQydPB1NggJWZpbGVzLCDe1M/C2SDC2czJINfTxSDO1dbO2cUg y8HUwczPx8kgzsUgwtnMzwo+IMzJ287JyC4KPgo+IFAuUy4KPiDhIMTM0SDQz8zV3sXOydEg09DF y8Eg19DPzM7FIM3P1s7PIM/C0sHUydTT0SDLCj4gUExEL01hbmRyaXZhL0ZlZG9yYSwg08TFzMHX INDP1M/NIMTM0SDOxcfPICQgcnBtY3Mg0MHLxdQuc3BlYwoK5MEsINTBy8nFICjX2tHU2cUgydog UExEL01hbmRyaXZhL0ZlZG9yYSkgzc7FINTP1sUg1yDzydrJxsUg0M/QwcTBwNTT0S4g78LZ3s7P IArL0snX2cUgxM8gwsXaz8LSwdrJ0SAtINDSycjPxMnU09Eg0MXSxcTFzNnXwdTYIMTM0SDTxcLR IMnMySDP1MvB2tnXwdTY09Egz9QgCsnT0M/M2NrP18HOydEuCgoKLS0gCkxlZAo= From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on sa.int.altlinux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:11:57 +0300 From: Pavlov Konstantin To: devel@lists.altlinux.org Message-ID: <20080218131157.GB4774@cryo.net.ru> References: <777d80610802171202v57ea98eekeda4628da406b2b6@mail.gmail.com> <200802180029.25330.ledest@gmail.com> <200802181003.49915.lav@altlinux.ru> <200802181059.59200.ledest@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DBIVS5p969aUjpLe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200802181059.59200.ledest@gmail.com> X-Operating-System: ALT Linux 4.0 Server (Walnut) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Subject: Re: [devel] =?koi8-r?b?Y29udHJpYiDJzMkg0M/OydbFzsnFINDMwc7LyQ==?= X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Id: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:11:58 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --DBIVS5p969aUjpLe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 10:59:59AM +0200, Led wrote: > Monday, 18 February 2008 09:03:49 Vitaly Lipatov =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=D7: > > On 18 =C6=C5=D7=D2=C1=CC=D1 2008, Led wrote: > > > Sunday, 17 February 2008 23:14:36 Alexey I. 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charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802182301.36031.lav@altlinux.ru> Subject: Re: [devel] =?koi8-r?b?Y29udHJpYiDJzMkg0M/OydbFzsnFINDMwc7LyQ==?= X-BeenThere: devel@lists.altlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Id: ALT Linux Team development discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:02:00 -0000 Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On 18 февраля 2008, Led wrote: > В сообщении от Monday 18 February 2008 15:11:57 Pavlov Konstantin написал(а): ... > > > Да, такие (взятые из PLD/Mandriva/Fedora) мне тоже в > > > Сизифе попадаются. Обычно кривые до безобразия - > > > приходится переделывать для себя или отказываться от > > > использования. > > > > Это потому что у вас подход разный -- ты собираешь пакеты > > для личного использования, а Виталий, насколько я могу > > судить, больше "для всех". > > Что ты этим хотел сказать? Что "для всех" можно "лиш бы как" > собирать? Хотел бы только добавить, что "переделывание под себя" не ведёт к улучшению качества Сизифа. Ну и конечно же, я собираю пакеты как для себя, и вполне положительно оцениваю качество "своих" спеков. -- С уважением, Виталий Липатов Санкт-Петербург GNU! ALT Linux Team! WINE! LaTeX! 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