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From: Mikhail Zabaluev <mhz@alt-linux.org>
To: mandrake-russian@altlinux.ru
Subject: [mdk-re] Re: Взгляд со стороны
Date: Sat Mar 16 02:38:03 2002
Message-ID: <20020315234329.GC3011@mhz.mikhail.zabaluev.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020316011711.45500842.romul.home@mtu-net.ru>

Hello ROmul,

On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 01:17:11AM +0300, ROmul wrote:
>
> MZ> Пользователи, на которых понятность и агрессивность коммивояжёра
> MZ> действует больше, чем соображения эффективности и цены, IMHO, не
> MZ> стоят усилий разработчиков свободного ПО,
> Таких большинство, просто потому, что при наличии конкуренции человек будет выбирать тот товар, по которому у него больше положительной информации или информации вообще! И ествественно если на улице будет стоять 
> хорошо одетый человек с красочным плакатом и рядом скромный
"ханурик" с пачкой патентов на изобретения, подходить будут к тому кто
с плакатом. Человек с плакатом у нас уже есть...и "ханурик" тоже....

Есть соображение, что люди, которые вращают этот мир, знают, когда
нужно выбрать ханурика (аналогия неудачная, больше подходит
профессор "со странностями"). Чёрт возьми, чтобы выжить,
какая-то часть человечества должна думать, а не пускать слюни.

> MZ> мотивация которых
> MZ> обычно состоит не в том, чтобы кому-то что-то впарить.
> Тем более если так ценны и велики усилия затрачиваемые на производство продукта, то и усилия на его продвижение должны быть соответсвующие. Иначе зачем усилия, если продукт не может найти конечного пользователя или самонеокупается?

Для free software/open source характерны следующие вещи:
- первые конечные пользователи -- разработчики или непосредственные
  заказчики программы (90% мирового ПО создаётся по прямым заказам);
- продукт окупается в момент его создания -- за счёт выполнения
  потребностей заказчиков, самореализации автора, увеличения
  популярности/эго и множества других тёмных причин,
  побуждающих людей делать странные вещи;
- усилия на продвижение в большинстве случаев исчерпываются
  выкладыванием архива в сеть, созданием нехитрого сайта
  и размещением информации в открытых каталогах типа Freshmeat.
  После этого, если проект чего-то стоит, он "makes it".

> И еще про агрессивность - ясно как день, что маркетинговая политика,
  поведение на рынке и количество и качество рекламы никак не связаны
  с тем каков на самом деле продукт и прилагаемые к нему услуги. Так
  же как содержание рекламы давным давно не связаны со свойствами
  продаваемого продукта. 

Этот разговор не для меня. Мне бы, знаете ли, всякими интересными
вещами позаниматься на своём компьютере. А не арендовать красивое
кайло у уважаемой фирмы.

-- 
Stay tuned,
  MhZ                                     JID: mookid@jabber.org
___________
When confronted by a difficult problem, you can solve it more easily by
reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"



  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-16  2:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 263+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-15  6:38 [mdk-re] ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ îÏ×ÏÍÌÉÎÓËÉÊ éÇÏÒØ
2002-03-15  9:45 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] [JT] Взгляд со стороны Roman S
2002-03-15 13:16 ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-15 14:29 ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " ROmul
2002-03-15 15:28   ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] JT " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-15 16:38     ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-15 16:49     ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-15 16:26   ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-15 16:51     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-15 19:48       ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-15 23:15         ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-17 16:06           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-15 22:09       ` ROmul
2002-03-16  1:12         ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16  2:05           ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16  2:00         ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 10:02           ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 12:41             ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 13:21               ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 13:39                 ` ROmul
2002-03-16 14:53                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-17  1:06                     ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18  9:14                       ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 15:05                         ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18 15:39                           ` Anatoly A. Yakushin
2002-03-18 16:17                             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 16:43                               ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-18 17:40                                 ` ROmul
2002-03-18 17:46                                   ` [mdk-re] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-19 12:06                                     ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:37                                       ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-19 13:37                                         ` [mdk-re] [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:20                                           ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-19 13:55                                       ` [mdk-re] " Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-19 13:51                                     ` [mdk-re] RE: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " ROmul
2002-03-19 12:05                                 ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18 17:11                               ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-18 16:18                             ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-18 17:29                               ` [mdk-re] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-18 17:50                                 ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-18 18:11                                   ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] RE: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Sergey S. Skulachenko
2002-03-18 19:24                                     ` [mdk-re] RE: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-18 17:58                                 ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-19 12:20                                   ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:02                                     ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-18 17:58                                 ` [mdk-re] RE: [mdk-re] " ROmul
2002-03-19 12:19                                   ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 13:48                                     ` ROmul
2002-03-19 14:41                                       ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 15:50                                         ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-19 17:14                                           ` [mdk-re] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-19 17:54                                             ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-20  8:54                                               ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-20 14:10                                                 ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-20 15:23                                                   ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-21  9:12                                                     ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-21  9:40                                                       ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-21  9:48                                                         ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-21 10:05                                                           ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-21 10:10                                                             ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-21 11:17                                                               ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-21 12:22                                                                 ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] [mdk-re] Re: Linuxoffice " Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2002-03-21 10:16                                                         ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office " Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-21 11:15                                                           ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-21 12:20                                                         ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-21 10:14                                                       ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-22  2:37                                                       ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-23 10:14                                                         ` [mdk-re] ошибка при сборке ядра из сизифа Dmitry S Kiselev
2002-03-23 10:33                                                           ` Dmitry S Kiselev
2002-03-19 18:15                                             ` [mdk-re] [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2002-03-20  2:24                                             ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 10:45                                               ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-21  2:12                                                 ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 10:10                                           ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:14                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 10:42                                       ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 12:25                                         ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 18:21                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) ROmul
2002-03-20  2:23                                       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 10:43                                       ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:07                                 ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:20                                   ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 13:50                                   ` ROmul
2002-03-19 14:42                                     ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:07                                   ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-18 20:05                               ` [mdk-re] " Anatoly A. Yakushin
2002-03-19 11:04                                 ` Vyt
2002-03-19 11:29                                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Russu V.F.
2002-03-19 11:47                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Linux office solution Vyt
2002-03-19 13:03                                       ` Russu V.F.
2002-03-19 11:31                                   ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) AVL
2002-03-19 14:48                                     ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 17:06                                       ` AVL
2002-03-19 17:15                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 17:09                                       ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution Vyt
2002-03-19 17:20                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 18:30                                           ` ROmul
2002-03-19 19:54                                         ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-19 20:06                                           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-20  6:27                                     ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-19 11:46                                   ` Peter V. Saveliev
2002-03-19 14:41                                     ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20  6:28                                     ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-19 12:02                                   ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-19 12:44                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Linux office solution Vyt
2002-03-19 14:13                                       ` Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 15:26                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 20:29                                           ` Re[2]: " Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 20:43                                             ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 22:26                                               ` Re[2]: " Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 15:51                                         ` Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 12:33                                         ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 16:22                                           ` Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 23:10                                             ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:25                                       ` Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-19 14:49                                         ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-19 16:12                                           ` Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-19 17:49                                             ` AVL
2002-03-20  8:55                                               ` Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-19 15:34                                         ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-20  6:27                                       ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-19 13:03                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Russu V.F.
2002-03-19 14:11                                       ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-20 10:46                                         ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 11:17                                           ` Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-19 12:46                                   ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 13:36                                     ` [mdk-re] [JT] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:41                                       ` [mdk-re] [JT] Re: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20  6:27                                       ` [mdk-re] [JT] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 22:49                                       ` [mdk-re] [JT] Re: Linux office solution(was: " Vitaly Lipatov
2002-03-19 13:44                                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Linux office solution Vyt
2002-03-19 15:01                                     ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 16:09                                       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-19 16:23                                         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 17:06                                           ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-20  2:23                                             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20  3:14                                               ` [mdk-re] " Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 20:26                                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 20:40                                             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 20:26                                           ` [mdk-re] to pay or not to pay (was: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ)) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 20:37                                             ` [mdk-re] to pay or not to pay (was: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны)) Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19 22:26                                               ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] to pay or not to pay (was: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ)) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 23:29                                                 ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] to pay or not to pay (was: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны)) Любимов А.В.
2002-03-20 11:30                                                   ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-20 13:55                                                     ` AVL
2002-03-20 14:38                                                       ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-20 15:41                                                         ` AVL
2002-03-20 16:41                                                           ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-20 17:19                                                             ` AVL
2002-03-20 15:54                                                         ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Artem Pastuchov
2002-03-20 16:17                                                           ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-20  2:23                                               ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-20 10:46                                             ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 13:11                                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Denis G. Samsonenko
2002-03-20  6:27                                     ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 10:35                                       ` Antonio
2002-03-20 10:57                                         ` AVL
2002-03-20 12:06                                         ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 11:45                                       ` [mdk-re] right thing vs. good enough (was: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ)) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 12:24                                         ` [mdk-re] right thing vs. good enough (was: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны)) Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 16:27                                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] right thing vs. good enough (was: Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ)) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 11:45                                       ` Re[4]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-20 12:36                                         ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Andriy Dobrovol's'kii
2002-03-20 13:46                                           ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-20 16:27                                           ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 13:05                                   ` Denis G. Samsonenko
2002-03-19 14:00                                     ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: чЪЗМСД УП УФПТПОЩ) Vyt
2002-03-19 15:13                                       ` [mdk-re] Re[4]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-20 10:49                                         ` [mdk-re] " Vyt
2002-03-20 12:27                                           ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Þÿúíóä õð õæðôðïý) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 14:13                                     ` Re[3]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 13:50                                   ` [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) ROmul
2002-03-19 15:09                                     ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-19 16:22                                       ` Sergey Vlasov
2002-03-19 15:31                                     ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20  6:25                                   ` [mdk-re] " Alexey Morozov
2002-03-20 11:45                                     ` Re[2]: [mdk-re] Linux office solution (was: ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-19 12:05                                 ` [mdk-re] Re: Linux office solution (was: Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:20                                   ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 12:05                             ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-17  1:23                     ` [mdk-re] [JT] Взглядсо стороны cornet
2002-03-18  9:14                       ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 10:33                         ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-16 15:08                 ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Взгляд со стороны Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16 15:40                   ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 16:32                   ` Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 16:40                     ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 16:46                     ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 16:51                       ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 16:57                         ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 17:07                           ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 17:22                             ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 17:25                               ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 17:28                                 ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 17:31                                   ` Korshunov Ilya
2002-03-16 19:29                                     ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 20:51                                   ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 21:51                                     ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 21:54                                       ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-16 23:02                                     ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-18 13:09                                       ` [mdk-re] Re: Bonobo Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-19 11:58                                         ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-19 14:17                                           ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 22:37                     ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [JT] Взгляд со стороны Roman S
2002-03-18  9:14                       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 10:15                         ` [mdk-re] " Aleksandr Blohin
2002-03-18 12:39                           ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 15:04                         ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-17  1:07                     ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18  9:14                       ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-18 15:05                         ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16 22:45                 ` [mdk-re] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-16 22:52                   ` [mdk-re] " cornet
2002-03-17  0:43                     ` Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-17  0:54                       ` cornet
2002-03-18  9:14                     ` [mdk-re] " Sergey Sokolov
2002-03-16 15:35             ` [mdk-re] " Konstantin Lepikhov
2002-03-15 16:37   ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-15 19:53     ` Roman S
2002-03-15 16:39   ` Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-15 22:09     ` ROmul
2002-03-16  0:19       ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-16  0:33   ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16  1:19     ` ROmul
2002-03-16  2:38       ` Mikhail Zabaluev [this message]
2002-03-16 11:13         ` ROmul
2002-03-16 12:58           ` Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-16 15:04           ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16 12:23     ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-16 15:59   ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-17  2:39     ` ROmul
2002-03-17  4:26       ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-17  6:08         ` Alexey Morozov
2002-03-17 15:04         ` ROmul
2002-03-17 15:26           ` Gosha
2002-03-18 13:02       ` [mdk-re] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19  1:08         ` ROmul
2002-03-18 10:15   ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " AVL
2002-03-18 13:25     ` ROmul
2002-03-18 15:05       ` [mdk-re] Re: [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18 15:28         ` Aleksey Novodvorsky
2002-03-19  0:39           ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-18 22:53         ` [mdk-re] " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-18 22:57           ` Любимов А.В.
2002-03-18 23:08             ` Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-19  1:36             ` [mdk-re] Re[2]: " Maksim Otstavnov
2002-03-19 12:21               ` [mdk-re] ifdown avl (was: [JT] Взгляд со стороны) Michael Shigorin
2002-03-19 14:41                 ` [mdk-re] ifdown avl (was: [JT] ÷ÚÇÌÑÄ ÓÏ ÓÔÏÒÏÎÙ) Serge Skorokhodov
2002-03-18 15:12       ` [JT] Re: [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] Взгляд со стороны Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-18 16:34         ` [mdk-re] [JT] " ROmul
2002-03-19 10:34       ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Shur
2002-03-19 10:45         ` admin
2002-03-19 11:01           ` [mdk-re] " Mikhail Zabaluev
2002-03-20 11:23           ` [mdk-re] Re: [mdk-re] " Shur
2002-03-19 11:33         ` [mdk-re] RE: [JT] " Ilia Menchikh
2002-03-19 11:43           ` [mdk-re] " Tihonov Vladimir
2002-03-19 12:17             ` [mdk-re] " Artem K. Jouravsky
2002-03-19 13:35             ` Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20 11:24             ` [mdk-re] " Shur
2002-03-19 13:08         ` [mdk-re] [JT] " Michael Shigorin
2002-03-20  8:06           ` Shur
2002-03-15 20:15 ` [mdk-re] " Alexandre Prokoudine
2002-03-15 20:53   ` [mdk-re] " Aleksey Novodvorsky

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